Tracks

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So we take away

Nurburgring
Imola

Why should Italy and Germany have two grand prix's? what makes them so special?

We put in their places

Zanddvort
Estoril

Two really cool tracks, should never have been dropped in my opinion.

And we move these races to different circuits

Silverstone is dropped for Donington Park
Magny Cours is dropped for Paul Ricard

And Silverstone and Magny Cours are , Donington Park and Paul Ricard are much better

[Speedworx]

Move the British GP to Rockingham and run on the oval.

French GP to Paul Ricard (long version, not short version)

German GP back to long Hockenheim or Sachsenring

San Marino GP to Misano.

How about a Africas GP at Welkom

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Alot of these tracks are just fantasies, unless they're destroyed by Chicanes.

[Muzza]

Dear M Power, Cos, DNQ, OVERSTEER,

The mountains surrounding the circuit - quite a spectacular backdrop - was the only good thing about Aida!

One aspect which I never understood, though, were complains like "so you wanted to go and see a race there it was 150 miles from the nearest big city and then 12 miles up the mountains to the circuit..." How important is this? This sounds like a typical Mr. Ron "I'm so spoiled" Dennis statement.

Oversteer, you mentioned Estoril. Sadly, this is another circuit that his been maimed by FIA. The chicane in the Curva do Tanque (installed after Alex Caffi's crash) has never been removed, regardless of promises by the circuit owners.

The fantastic Turn 1 - a fast, open, unique downhill challenge - was replaced by a dull hairpin. Additionally, Turn 2 had its radius tightened.

I once had the pleasure of having a letter of mine published by Autosport - sadly, it was about these lay-out changes to Estoril. The track is just not the same anymore. Estoril has been chopped, severed and mauled. As I wrote to Autosport years ago, "a track's lay-out is sacred. If it is to be made safer, thou shall increase its run-off areas". I recognize that the topography surrounding Estoril would make it tricky, but it was never to be an impossible job.

Estoril today is like a fado - a Portuguese music style with melancholic songs that celebrate "saudade", "a feeling or state of mind that cannot be translated", a profound, deep longing for things that are no longer the same.

Another great track is gone.

Muzza

[Miss Hardt]

I don't think any track can replace HH.Sorry.Glad I have you wonderful people who agree with me

[M Power]

DNQ I think ttaida is a great track its flowing fast but tech as well plenty of overtaking spots I like it I would perfer tt to monaco

[laudaman]

Good Tracks - Silverstone, Suzuka, Monza, Hockenheim

Rubbish tracks - Magny Cours, Hungaroring, Monte Carlo

Tracks I'd love to see - Zandvoort, Kyalami (the old one), Paul Ricard, Osterreichring, Adelaide, Interlagos (the old one), Le Mans (the proper track minus the chicanes on the Mulanne Straight)

[downforce]

Originally posted by EERO
Sepang should be stripped from the calendar, its a hot barren and lifeless place, passing opportunities and a wide racing surface be damned.

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Australian GP- Albert Park or Adelaide
Malaysian GP- Sepang
Brazilian GP- Rio
Spanish GP- Jerez or Barcelona
Monaco GP- Monte Carlo (Just in case anyone had any doubts!)
European GP At tracks that change from year to year
South African GP- Kyalami or Welkom
Canadian GP- Montreal
Dutch GP-Zandvoort
French GP- Paul Ricard
British GP- Donington Park
Austrian GP- A1 Ring
German GP- Hockenheim or Nurburgring
US GP- Indianapolis
Italian GP- Monza
Portuguese GP- Estoril
Japanese GP- Sukuka

Races that have two circuits mentioned, alternate like Brands Hatch and Silverstone did

[f1manoz]

Australian GP - Adelaide. The spritual home of the Oz GP
Brazilian GP - Jacarapagua
South African GP - Old Kyalami (with that fearsome front straight)
Spanish GP - Anyone remember Montjuich Park? (Terribly unsafe though)
Portuguese GP - The un-emasculated Estoril
Monaco GP - It has to be on there. I don't really know why.
French GP - Clermont-Ferrand or Dijon
British GP - Brands Hatch
German GP - How about Avus? Seriously, leave Hockenheim alone
Austrian GP - Osterreichring (NOT the A1-Ring)
Dutch GP - Zandvoort
Canadian GP - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve
Italian GP - Monza
US GP - Road America
Mexican GP - Hermanos Rodriguez (now that was a racetrack!)
Japanese GP - Suzuka

[JPBeltoise]

Originally posted by f1manoz

Spanish GP - Anyone remember Montjuich Park? (Terribly unsafe though)

Bravo! Yes, I do remember, and I think it has to be the most beautiful circuit of all. As far as its being unsafe, though -- I realize that the 1975 race ended tragically (when Rolf Stommelen's car vaulted the barrier and killed some spectators -- incidentally, I see that today is the 19th anniversary of Rolf's death, God rest him), but I wonder if the circuit couldn't be made much safer with today's crash barriers (tires, etc).

[cos]

Originally posted by f1manoz

German GP - How about Avus? Seriously, leave Hockenheim alone

Wasn't Avus the one with two massively long straights with 180-degree bends at each end, and isn't that the place where Keith O'Dor was killed in 1995(?) in a touring car race?

[laudaman]

Brazil - Interlagos ('73-'80)
USA 1 - Elkhart Lake
Canada - Montreal
San Marino - Imola ('80-'94)
Spain - Jerez
France - Paul Ricard ('71 - '85)
Britain - Brands Hatch
Germany - Hockenheim
Holland - Zandvoort
Belgium - Spa
Italy - Monza (minus chicanes except Ascari + old Lesmo's)
Portugal - Estoril ('84-'96)
South Africa - Kyalami (pre '85)
USA 2 - Long Beach (the way it is now - last CART race was amazing)
Japan - Suzuka
Australia - Adelaide (it was the perfect end to the season)

[EERO]

Don't forget the 1969 race when Rindt crashed into his teammate Hills' wreckage...It was a lovely but terribley dangerous place.

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Originally posted by cos


Wasn't Avus the one with two massively long straights with 180-degree bends at each end, and isn't that the place where Keith O'Dor was killed in 1995(?) in a touring car race?

Yeah it was, O'dor spun his Nissan and was T-boned by Frank Biela

[Lee Janotta]

Originally posted by M Power
DNQ I think ttaida is a great track its flowing fast but tech as well plenty of overtaking spots I like it I would perfer tt to monaco

Are you sure you aren't thinking of Fuji? The main problem with Aida is that it's physically _way_ too narrow to allow passing!

[cos]

if only he had been sitting on the other side of the car

[TickTag2]

Australian GP- Albert Park or Adelaide - ok
Malaysian GP- Sepang - excellent track
Brazilian GP- Rio - ok
Spanish GP- Jerez or Barcelona - ok
Monaco GP- Monte Carlo - This is not a track it is a junk road
South African GP- Kyalami or Welkom - ok
Canadian GP- Montreal - ok
Dutch GP-Zandvoort - ok
French GP- Paul Ricard - ok
British GP- Donington Park - ok
Austrian GP- A1 Ring - ok
German GP- Hockenheim or Nurburgring - ok / ko
US GP- Indianapolis - ok
Italian GP- Monza - ok
Portuguese GP- Estoril - ok
Japanese GP- Sukuka - ok

arios .............

[f1manoz]

Originally posted by cos
Wasn't Avus the one with two massively long straights with 180-degree bends at each end,

The question 'How about Avus?' was meant to be tongue-in-cheek.

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Originally posted by OVERSTEER
Australian GP- Albert Park or Adelaide
Malaysian GP- Sepang
Brazilian GP- Rio
Spanish GP- Jerez or Barcelona
Monaco GP- Monte Carlo (Just in case anyone had any doubts!)
European GP At tracks that change from year to year
South African GP- Kyalami or Welkom
Canadian GP- Montreal
Dutch GP-Zandvoort
French GP- Paul Ricard
British GP- Donington Park
Austrian GP- A1 Ring
German GP- Hockenheim or Nurburgring
US GP- Indianapolis
Italian GP- Monza
Portuguese GP- Estoril
Japanese GP- Sukuka

Races that have two circuits mentioned, alternate like
Brands Hatch and Silverstone did

Sh*t I forgot to include Belgium in my schudule, so include it in between the Dutch and French GP, and thats at Spa obviously

[Muzza]

F1 Manoz and Oversteer,

Could you please elaborate more on your preference for Jacarepagua - rather than Interlagos?

Jacarepagua is not a bad track at all - it is actually much better than today's F-1 circuits - but...

- it is almost totally flat, whereas Interlagos shows daunting elevation changes (just try to pedal your bicycle around the track...)

- most of Jacarepagua corners have similar apexes - so, although the circuit had maybe the smoothest flow in all season, it is not a technical one.

- all corners have constant radius. It is not that demanding.

I found quite difficult to prefer Jacarepagua - but, hey, you are obviously entitled to your opinion! I just wanted to know why, in your standpoint, it is better than Interlagos.

Regards,

Muzza

[f1manoz]

Fair question Muzza.

I was only choosing between the modern Interlagos and Jacarapagua.

My memories of Jacarapagua are of a superbly fast motor racing circuit, nice and wide and with plenty of fast corners, plus a long back straight which produced plenty of passing.

The modern Interlagos, IMO, is fairly bland. A couple of quick corners, but it's not awe inspiring. The infield section is what really lets the circuit down.

The older Interlagos circuit from the 1970s would have got my vote had I cast my mind back That was a mans circuit (as they all were in those days).

[Glen]

The trouble with this is that twe all focus our attention on circuit layout and history (quite rightly) - but, as can be seen with the example ofbrands Hatch, these factors alone are not enough to run a GP... Access, facilities and money are more important, since without these no profitable race can be held at all.

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Originally posted by Muzza
F1 Manoz and Oversteer,

Could you please elaborate more on your preference for Jacarepagua - rather than Interlagos?

Jacarepagua is not a bad track at all - it is actually much better than today's F-1 circuits - but...

- it is almost totally flat, whereas Interlagos shows daunting elevation changes (just try to pedal your bicycle around the track...)

- most of Jacarepagua corners have similar apexes - so, although the circuit had maybe the smoothest flow in all season, it is not a technical one.

- all corners have constant radius. It is not that demanding.






I found quite difficult to prefer Jacarepagua - but, hey, you are obviously entitled to your opinion! I just wanted to know why, in your standpoint, it is better than Interlagos.

Regards,

Muzza

Well in Rio you don't have team personel getting robbed at cash points by people from the nearby Fevelas, and from what I see about Jacarepagua is fast straights and fast corners with close racing.
And as a plus a massive beach nearby with lots of women on it
And if I was to attend a GP in the future, Brazil at the moment wouldn't be on the list but if Jacarepagua was there then maybe i'd change my mind.

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If we couldn't get the South African GP, then if they weren't in so much **** then I would like another Argentinian GP at Beunos Aires.