Touring Car Masters - Page 16

Umai Naa · 8 Mar 2019, 11:23 (Ref:3889121)

He was in an odd situation. Started too late, peaked too soon.

Still, he's a decent steerer.

Forda · 8 Mar 2019, 13:35 (Ref:3889149)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

He was in an odd situation. Started too late, peaked too soon.

Still, he's a decent steerer.

I'll take your word then; it's usually 100% correct.

Mixer · 8 Mar 2019, 22:17 (Ref:3889237)

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Originally Posted by Forda

If Steven Johnson was as hopeless as this forum painted him out to be, why is he consistently cleaning up so much in this category?
Seems quite strange?

Look at the guys that can win in other categories but couldn't make it in supercars.

There's no coincidence that car was unbeatable in Bowe's hands and equally so in Junior's.

You could put a Dean Canto, David Wall or Tim Blanchard in that car and it would win just the same. Those are guys who also were thought to have had championship-winning talent for Supercars but could never realise that ultimate talent.

At the end of the day TCM is a train set made for well-heeled gentleman drivers, but some of them are professionals. With no handicap like GT likes to use, the professionals, even at the end of their careers, will beat the gentlemen all day long.

Forda · 8 Mar 2019, 23:10 (Ref:3889248)

Yeah, nah.

bathurst77 · 9 Mar 2019, 00:17 (Ref:3889256)

Seems we are getting less variety of cars.
Gone are the Xa-XCs, chargers, Ljs etc

Driver TBA · 9 Mar 2019, 01:38 (Ref:3889264)

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Originally Posted by bathurst77

Seems we are getting less variety of cars.

Gone are the Xa-XCs, chargers, Ljs etc

Might be more to do with rarity and value of these models. Expensive exercise finding bodies and panels.

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johnh875 · 9 Mar 2019, 02:21 (Ref:3889274)

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Originally Posted by Driver TBA

I think majority are running Windsor based Dart blocks these days. Even in the Falcons. Same same but different...........

308 red motor blocks that aren't 60 thou over or knackered are like unicorns these days.

Apart from technical designation and what amount to fairly minor differences (including weight in favour of the Windsor) they aren't a lot different as evidenced by being able to swap heads. Aren't the Holden runners allowed to use later VN-VT engines? In the face of aftermarket bits for other brands it would seem a no brainer even if a Chev would probably still be a more attractive proposition.

I was referring to running the 'TCM engine' in the Falcon. I'm guessing you could run one of those in an LJ, per T9.1 (p) of the regs? Could be an interesting package.

Mixer · 9 Mar 2019, 04:03 (Ref:3889280)

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Originally Posted by Forda

Yeah, nah.

Appreciate the thought you put into the response.

Fact is those 3 guys won championships where there was relatively equal equipment and other very talented drivers.

The car had a 50% win rate in Bowe's hands.

**GTRMagic** · 4 May 2019, 08:23 (Ref:3901676)

Errrrrr....

M91 · 4 May 2019, 08:26 (Ref:3901677)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Errrrrr....

Saw that on BookFace as well. Was a bit surprised, as I don't recall any announcement being made about the Commodore being eligible...

Also, there is no way those flares will be on the real race car.

Umai Naa · 4 May 2019, 09:10 (Ref:3901682)

Yeah, the flares are a tad ambitious.

But the Toranas run them though, don't they?

V8 Fireworks · 4 May 2019, 11:13 (Ref:3901701)

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Originally Posted by M91

Saw that on BookFace as well. Was a bit surprised, as I don't recall any announcement being made about the Commodore being eligible...

Wonderful news!

Mazda fans still waiting on eligbility of the iconic FB RX7, naturally with period-correct Commodore and Falcon beating performance.

The Bluebird turbos will be most welcome too, finally someone for Datsun enthusiasts to cheer on in TCM.

Mixer · 4 May 2019, 11:34 (Ref:3901705)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Mazda fans still waiting on eligbility of the iconic FB RX7, naturally with period-correct Commodore and Falcon beating performance.

Will sound funny with a Chev V8 in it

And I guess they'd allow an illegal gearbox too

V8 Fireworks · 4 May 2019, 12:19 (Ref:3901732)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Will sound funny with a Chev V8 in it

Well that would be silly, instead the ubiquitous 13B engine for the RX7 perhaps (as opposed to the 12A) and the ubiquitous SR20DET instead of the Bluebird's period-correct Z18ET?

If I understand correctly, as a 1979 model, the Bluebird is only one year away from eligibility in TCM?

As a 1978 model, the RX7 should already be eligible -- so where are they? :raises eyebrow: Existing Improved Production RX7s should be a cost-effective base for a TCM conversion.

S griffin · 4 May 2019, 20:51 (Ref:3901871)

It’s exciting to see the cars out here. Hopefully we’ll see more variety for a series that is celebrating the pioneering years of Aussie tin tops

Gaz170 · 6 May 2019, 00:30 (Ref:3902099)

What happened to TCM being for older bodied cars? I never agreed with the XD, even if it is just cosmetically changed from the XC. Allowing Commodores will be the death of the series.

Mixer · 6 May 2019, 00:45 (Ref:3902102)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Well that would be silly, instead the ubiquitous 13B engine for the RX7 perhaps (as opposed to the 12A) and the ubiquitous SR20DET instead of the Bluebird's period-correct Z18ET?

Just as silly as a Chev-powered Capri that just entered.

I suspect we won't see the RX7, they can go race in the Group A/C races...

S griffin · 6 May 2019, 10:41 (Ref:3902186)

That’s got to be unique, a Chevy powered Capri. Shame no Mazda, but then you can’t have everything

V8 Fireworks · 6 May 2019, 11:29 (Ref:3902215)

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Originally Posted by Gaz170

What happened to TCM being for older bodied cars?

Still is, time marches on.

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Originally Posted by Mixer

I suspect we won't see the RX7, they can go race in the Group A/C races...

Not having Japanese cars racing and winning would be silly in the extreme, if an account recreation of touring car racing progressing into the 1980's is the goal, given the XD Falcon and VB Commodore... Without the high cost & risk of racing genuine priceless Group C cars.

S griffin · 6 May 2019, 11:40 (Ref:3902221)

Well it’s good enough without the Mazdas, although it would be no problem if they did join

johnh875 · 6 May 2019, 12:46 (Ref:3902236)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Just as silly as a Chev-powered Capri that just entered.

Very democratic - LS's for all!

S griffin · 6 May 2019, 12:51 (Ref:3902237)

That’s one way of putting it

johnh875 · 6 May 2019, 22:56 (Ref:3902373)

A good way to cut costs though

JAFA851 · 7 May 2019, 02:00 (Ref:3902393)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

I suspect we won't see the RX7, they can go race in the Group A/C races...

To race in the Group A/C races the car has to have been a genuine period Group A/C car. There weren't that many in period ( compared to Falcon / Commodore etc ). Shouldn't be a problem to find some shells and build them up for TCM though.

bathurst77 · 11 May 2019, 06:04 (Ref:3903100)

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Originally Posted by Mixer

Just as silly as a Chev-powered Capri that just entered.

People seem to think TCM is a Group C or production touring car inspired class. Its not, CAMS classify them as sports sedans and the class pays much homage to 70s sports sedans. And in the 70s Chev engines (or its derivatives) were in a lot of sports sedans like the charger, vw etc

So I have no probs with chev engines in them now

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