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Old 20 Jul 2012, 03:16 (Ref:3108859)   #151
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This hilarious propaganda video from 1997 the IRL and Chairman George put out says otherwise.
It's not as funny as this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKmdeS-at1o
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Old 20 Jul 2012, 09:25 (Ref:3108935)   #152
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This hilarious propaganda video from 1997 the IRL and Chairman George put out says otherwise.
Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziKyZ...eature=related

This is perhaps the smartest thing Villeneuve has said in his life!
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Old 20 Jul 2012, 10:38 (Ref:3108972)   #153
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CART embodied an ethos of grass-roots enterprise. A series where frontiersmen battled on multiple terrain and that's the American tradition.
Now this is funny! Roger Penske, Frontiersman! Could you see Chip in a coonskin cap? Gerry Forsythe in buckskins. Derrick Walker setting traps. Dale Coyne trying to find pay foxes to go into his...

I mean, we have been over the thing a billion times and everyone has had their say but comparing the CART team owners to "frontiersmen" is hilarious! I saw Ganassi "remodel" the home he bought here in Fox Chapel and let me tell you, Daniel boone would need a compass to find the bathroom!

Frontiersmen...the whole lot of them each seemed to think that HE was the smartest guy in the room. They all killed the golden goose....
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Old 20 Jul 2012, 10:42 (Ref:3108973)   #154
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Gerry Forsythe in buckskins...
Why Gerry Forsythe (Forsythe Racing) would not be able to return?... He hated Tony George, but he will no longer lead to a series, so the return could be more possible.
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Old 20 Jul 2012, 10:45 (Ref:3108975)   #155
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When Forsythe lost the tobacco money he lost interest in being an owner. Of anyone's possible return to racing, my guess is that Forsythe's would be the most impossible/improbable. He is very much into the "Andretti Mode" of racing operations: Never put a dime of your own money into the operation.
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Old 20 Jul 2012, 10:51 (Ref:3108978)   #156
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When Forsythe lost the tobacco money he lost interest in being an owner. Of anyone's possible return to racing, my guess is that Forsythe's would be the most impossible/improbable. He is very much into the "Andretti Mode" of racing operations: Never put a dime of your own money into the operation.
Okay and As I recall, many of Forsythe Racing engineers were transferred to Andretti Autosport and AFS Racing when team stopped operations. Forsythe Racing last major sponsor Indeck did not have tobacco company.
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Old 20 Jul 2012, 12:36 (Ref:3109022)   #157
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The reason why the racing has been sensational, is due to the DW12 being a ground effect car. About half the downforce is generated by the car, not purely by the wings as was the case with the old Dallara. Ground effect produces a lot less drag and therefore wake, making it easier for the car behind to get up closer and overtake the car in front.

Just look at the oval racing this season, no more of that pack racing nonsense, the drivers have to control the car.
So all in all = a good car in terms of providing the outcomes desired by the series?

I am not that technically minded so please forgive me if I am wide of the mark however at Indy - all the drivers commented about the large wake left by the new Dallara not a reduced wake compared to that of the old Dallara?

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What's wrong with the current Dallara is it's badly designed. Reynard, Lola, etc. didn't need to put a lump of metal in the nose of the car to balance the front end with the arse end and those cars were racing how many years ago?
If good racing has been achieved - whats the issue in the long run?
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Old 20 Jul 2012, 19:12 (Ref:3109208)   #158
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So all in all = a good car in terms of providing the outcomes desired by the series?

I am not that technically minded so please forgive me if I am wide of the mark however at Indy - all the drivers commented about the large wake left by the new Dallara not a reduced wake compared to that of the old Dallara?

If good racing has been achieved - whats the issue in the long run?
All in all it's an adequate car but a Lola or Reynard it ain't. I didn't hear the driver's comments regarding the car at Indy.

Good racing has been achieved but the issue is the racing was better, the cars were better and it could be better still.
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Old 21 Jul 2012, 06:27 (Ref:3109356)   #159
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I just came about an article which said Indycar were considering Green-White-Chequered finishes in the style of Nascar. Please, no, don't do that. It is too Nascar, just like standing starts would be too European for Indycar.
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Old 21 Jul 2012, 11:01 (Ref:3109423)   #160
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I just came about an article which said Indycar were considering Green-White-Chequered finishes in the style of Nascar. Please, no, don't do that. It is too Nascar, just like standing starts would be too European for Indycar.
This shouldn't happen. It shouldn't happen because it shouldn't happen but it also shouldn't happen because Indycar have been quite good at shunning the NASCAR gimmicks like 'lucky dogs', 'competition yellows' so hopefully they'll shun this. Stop the race once if there's a yellow within, say, three laps before the end if they must.
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Old 21 Jul 2012, 13:21 (Ref:3109449)   #161
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The racing has been good this season, compared with the last few years, so why go and spoil it with a gimmick?
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Old 21 Jul 2012, 20:29 (Ref:3109542)   #162
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Old 21 Jul 2012, 20:47 (Ref:3109547)   #163
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CART was run by Austrialian bushmen and American frontiersmen whilst the IRL was run by a corrupt monarchy who went on to demand taxes without representation. Well, something like that anyway.
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Old 21 Jul 2012, 20:56 (Ref:3109550)   #164
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Thank god we're not taking all this too seriously......

oh you meant that......riiiiiight ;-)
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Mr. Forsythe owns Indeck. And it is a very successful company.
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