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Old 30 Jun 2015, 11:23 (Ref:3554873)   #1
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MSVR to run the BTCC from 2017??

It appears that MSVR have tendered to run the BTCC for 5 years from 2017 when the current contract is up at the end of next year. At present TOCA are rights holder backed by the BARC.

It will be interesting to see how this one pans out. Oh yes it is worth remembering that Alan Gow as well as being the boss of TOCA is also the chairman of the MSA....

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Old 30 Jun 2015, 11:53 (Ref:3554879)   #2
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Yep, I see that Gow has come out on the attack on the way it was run inbetween his spells at the helm, he makes a good point though that all TOCA does is BTCC so is very focused and is not just another championship.

But this can also make it very insular looking, maybe MSVR are thinking that their wider experience can bring more elements and who knows maybe a couple of combined BSB & BTCC 'Best of British' type weekends?
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he makes a good point though that all TOCA does is BTCC so is very focused and is not just another championship.
You could levy that same argument against Gow himself. As well as being MD of TOCA he is Chairman of the MSA, President of the FIA Touring Car Commission, Chairman of IMS, driver manager, etc etc. How focused on BTCC is he?
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As well as being MD of TOCA he is Chairman of the MSA, President of the FIA Touring Car Commission, Chairman of IMS, driver manager, etc etc.
I know that has been the case for a number of years now, but surely there is conflict of interest here.
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I know that has been the case for a number of years now, but surely there is conflict of interest here.
No more that MSV owning circuits and deciding which circuits to hold meetings at, as they already do for BSB. As long as Gow isn't involved in the decision of who gets the contract, which he won't be.

Of course it depends which hat he was wearing when he made the comments in the article - as MD of TOCA commenting on a rival, or as MSA Chairman commenting on what was best for the sport.
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You could levy that same argument against Gow himself. As well as being MD of TOCA he is Chairman of the MSA, President of the FIA Touring Car Commission, Chairman of IMS, driver manager, etc etc. How focused on BTCC is he?
Agreed, but TOCA as an organising body only do BTCC so are not tearing around the country every weekend running race meetings and multiple championships.

Not saying that TOCA are the be all and end all, but I tend to agree that putting the licecne with any sort of consortium of circuits or championship organisers would not work. It needs a single promoter IMO and of course JP can put a good case that MSV Group as owners of many of the circuits that BTCC race on, is effectively promoting BTCC races already.
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Agreed, but TOCA as an organising body only do BTCC so are not tearing around the country every weekend running race meetings and multiple championships.
TOCA as BTCC organisers is essentially just a trading name of BARC, who are busy organising other race meetings and multiple championships.

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I tend to agree that putting the licecne with any sort of consortium of circuits or championship organisers would not work.
MSV isn't a consortium, it's a single promoter that owns multiple venues. BARC own/operate multiple venues, so no real difference there.

I'm not saying that MSV should or shouldn't get the contract, just trying to put in some balance. I find the idea put out by some that the BTCC was nothing without Gow a little over the top. After the highs of the mid 90s and sudden change in regs, 2001/02 was going to be a low point regardless of who was in charge.
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I think a lot of people underrate the 01-03 period.

01 obviously had a lack of touring class cars but when you look at the field as a whole, there were a lot of good national-level drivers on the grid and the racing was good.

02-03 had a higher quality field than the series had in subsequent seasons.

I'd like TOCA to stay in charge simply because Alan Gow is one of the few people involved in the organisation of motorsport who actually knows what he's doing.
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I agree, 01 saw some big names return and we had more works teams in 02-03. Shame the exodus began in 04, but the racing and grids were great that year. That was when it came back
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the 04 grids were full, exodus happened in 05 when often hardly more than 10 cars on the grid....
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the 04 grids were full, exodus happened in 05 when often hardly more than 10 cars on the grid....
That was a blip.

Discounting part time entries, and production class cars in the early years; this his how the grids lined up (remember I'm only counting car/driver combos that did the whole season)

2000 08 full time entrants
2001 05 full time entrants
2002 14 full time entrants
2003 14 full time entrants
2004 15 full time entrants
2005 10 full time entrants
2006 14 full time entrants
2007 15 full time entrants
2008 21 full time entrants
2009 12 full time entrants
2010 15 full time entrants
2011 18 full time entrants
2012 13 full time entrants
2013 16 full time entrants
2014 24 full time entrants
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Old 1 Jul 2015, 14:38 (Ref:3555203)   #12
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Yes 05 we only had 12 cars to begin with, but by the end of 06 we had 26, which was the most since the early 90s.
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About the new control parts.

If someone else than Swindon will win the engine tender. Does this mean teams have to buy/lease the new engine instead of the Swindon engine?

Same for other parts?
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