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Yep , I completely agree .
I just find the high nose too high . Give them a new set of regs , and challange the designers some more then , but in a differant way . |
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Motorsport was in the start never an entertainment sport for the spectators, it was a sport for the participant, and in the small national classes it still is. An ideal way for the regulations to work, would be that it only regulates on safety concerns. However regulations also regulates on performance to allow more competitiveness for the fans. Makes good races, but sometimes cap the best too much. Having regulations that also dictates how "pretty" a car should be, is just so far from what sport is!. There isn't any regulations on female tennis players have to have DD cups . If High Noses gives an aerodynamic advantage, without causing any hazards, well then it should be used . But all of this is going a bit off topic, we should move it to the Regulations thread |
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I think high noses look absolutely fine, back in the 90's when Benetton started doing them in F1 I always thought that was the best looking car too.
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Very true, however motorsport has rarely simply been an engineering challenge without restrictions. There has always been some stipulations; whether it was engine capacity or a minimum production number. These have always been the rules that have determined appearance.
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder... And I don't see changing regulations in order to limit variety. That's all what instilling regulations to control aesthetics do (look at Grand-Am...all the layout architecture is identical, no variety). Much like the mandatory safety rules, it would "homogenize" the cars and then we have boring, boring, boring. As for racing being entertainment...I give you NASCAR. Doofy looking cars but "great" racing. Racing is about going fast, pure and simple. If it's "entertaining," as an offshoot, great. If not, well then second place has more homework to do.... Anyhow, really wasn't having a go at The Badger! Sorry if it comes across as that! And getting back on track, I'm very interested in seeing what Pescarolo's boys have done to make the "AMR-One" competitive...being stuck with the high nose architecture (and exact same crash box--reduced time scales and costs doing it this way. Totally understandable) naturally means some obvious likeness to the Aston. But refining the AMR-one's obviously "immature" aero package will certainly be a plus. Not to mention binning the engine... |
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There isn't really a lot of tech transfer in this area to production cars, so people can't really play the 'relevance' card and it would make for some radical new challenges. I am really wondering what a non-winged prototype would look like today. |
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Of course, mandating specific safety items also has the result in homogenizing the look of the cars, as well as uglifying them. Take away the BHH and BHF and I do believe the current rules would allow for fairly attractive cars to be built. I wish there were better solutions than what the FIA/ACO have come up with.
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I strongly agree with Badger. If it takes restricting some of the dimensions to keep the sports cars resembling... well, sports cars, then so be it! Using four tires and RWD instead of... field propulsion or witchcraft may not the best solution engineering-wise. But somehow the rules mandate the automobiles to remain automobiles. Might as well mandate something to make sure they remain sports cars, not delta-trikes, hover-crafts or whatever.
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is this the definitive bodyshape of the car? a really strange side structure
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Is that it ..... I thought it was a photoshop joke !!!
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That car's appearance could be massively improved if nose height and minimum width was restricted, along with banning the use of rear wheels on the front. I can't see how altering these parts of the regulations can be compared with Nascar or Grand-Am. |
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Hey, Ugly is sometimes fast!
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to be fast and competitive is the only hope for this car... or will be a fail even worse than the amr-one one...
btw having almost the same front structure and area i don't know how much the pescarolo 03 could generate more downforce and less drag than the ones produced by the amr-one (that was one of serious problem of the car). |
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