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27 Oct 2002, 23:15 (Ref:415104)
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This is what touringcars should look like
The Dutch Super Car Challenge boasts a strange but interesting mix of GT's and touringcars. Those touringcars vary from old and srappy looking to the real class acts.
these two BMW 320i E46's certainly belong to the latter. this is how a touringcar should look! the Braspenning Tuning Car: http://www.supercarchallenge.nl/uplo...os/SiShoep.jpg and this is the RS Tuning car: http://www.racingonline.nl/2002/nati...ce7-8/dsc8.jpg |
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27 Oct 2002, 23:20 (Ref:415108)
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27 Oct 2002, 23:32 (Ref:415117)
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perhaps from that angle no, bu from the front a Super 2000 car is to wide for my taste, the car makers have done to much to have a "meaty" look to the car, in my opinion a Super 2000 BMW is not beautiful and neither is the Alfa Romeo GTA, the "old type" nissan primera however fit's in quite nicely with my touringcar ideals
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27 Oct 2002, 23:36 (Ref:415122)
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28 Oct 2002, 01:36 (Ref:415168)
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28 Oct 2002, 01:38 (Ref:415171)
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I have to admit I share LMP900's opinions. I prefer NO wheel well arches/modifications. I stubbornly(??) associate wheel well widening with rallying/GT cars. Touring cars should remain more "stock" (yeah, yeah, a very relative/loose term).
I recall hearing many reasons why wheel well widening was used. Some said it is safer/easier to intall tires during pit stops. Then there's the BMW cheating(??) incident. |
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28 Oct 2002, 06:59 (Ref:415248)
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the 2003 ETCC BMW may not need such big arches at the front. I belive that the track on the updated 320 is much wider, as are the road car flares.
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28 Oct 2002, 10:59 (Ref:415336)
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What a touring car should look like??? pfft, Group A, how insane did those Sierras, Mustangs, Jaguars, Volvos, Quattros, Mercs, Skylines, Commodores look, that is what a racing car is MEANT to look like.
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28 Oct 2002, 11:00 (Ref:415337)
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The classic BMW shape lends itself perfectly to touring cars. Beautifully proportioned, just lovely.
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28 Oct 2002, 11:03 (Ref:415340)
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Ford all the way, but those Commodores looked pretty decent too.
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28 Oct 2002, 11:24 (Ref:415356)
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Agreed, i loved Group A
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28 Oct 2002, 11:26 (Ref:415358)
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Didn't mind Group C either
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28 Oct 2002, 11:35 (Ref:415370)
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This is what a touring car looks like!
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28 Oct 2002, 12:21 (Ref:415404)
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28 Oct 2002, 12:56 (Ref:415428)
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Very nice- any chance of the Jim Richards JPS 635- one of my all-time favourites.... |
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28 Oct 2002, 12:58 (Ref:415432)
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29 Oct 2002, 10:08 (Ref:416234)
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I'm a big fan of flared wheel arches, guards etc... and smaller aero devices (small boot spoilers, extended front bumpers etc..). I'm not a fan of big front spoilers and rear spoilers though.
KA - Not the Group A version, but here is the Group C version of Jim Richards JPS BMW 635csi, from Bathurst in 1984 (co-driver was Tony Longhurst) |
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29 Oct 2002, 10:10 (Ref:416237)
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Here is the very first Group C BMW 635csi Touring Car Frank Gardner's JPS Team BMW built in 1981. Also at Bathurst, driven by Allan Grice/David Hobbs
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29 Oct 2002, 11:25 (Ref:416299)
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KA - Searching my computer i've managed to find a pic of the Group A version of the JPS BMW 635csi. This is of Jim Richards at Amaroo Park in 1985
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30 Oct 2002, 11:33 (Ref:417294)
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Thanks for those- even though I was always more of a TWR Rover or Jaguar man at the time, that JPS 635 was always a favourite- that and the Schnitzer 'skeleton' paintjob (JPS colours always looked stunning on any racing car- I've seen a photo somewhere of one of Dick Johnson's Mustangs at a race in NZ in JPS colours rather than their usual green which looked good as well)
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30 Oct 2002, 11:42 (Ref:417300)
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Best looking 635 so far IMHO...
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31 Oct 2002, 13:43 (Ref:418494)
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OK, I might make some foes with this one, but I just loved the paintscheme of the HRT cars in 2000.
 2nd best touring car IMHO was the Ford Capri (e.g. the Winkelhock one) of the German Race Championship in the early 80's! |
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31 Oct 2002, 20:51 (Ref:418823)
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The nicest touring car was the Team Isert BMW's from the 1998 STW championship...I loved that Jagermeister paint scheme...
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1 Nov 2002, 10:13 (Ref:419197)
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I liked the 2000 HRT paint jobs as well.
Here's another good looking Touring Car, Dick Johnson's Group C Ford Falcon XE at Bathurst in 1983, prior to writing it off after a trip through the tree's at the exit of Forrests Elbow on Saturday. Last edited by racer69; 1 Nov 2002 at 10:16. |
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1 Nov 2002, 17:56 (Ref:419622)
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