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Old 26 Jul 2013, 03:47 (Ref:3281691)   #16
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i think the suggestion was that hulkenberg would sit out the rest of the season and learn the ropes at ferrari.
Put him in Massa's seat now !
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Old 26 Jul 2013, 06:19 (Ref:3281721)   #17
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There is only ONE REASON Nico should go. He's quite a good driver, probably underrated, and fast, too. Frijns is just too big of a risk: as was said before, he could become the next "crash kid"... an exact repeat of Gutierrez.

The reason he should go is this: he's too good to be marooned in a team like Sauber. He deserves a Ferrari seat. Esteban would be best to go back to GP2 or maybe do IndyCar or Formula E...
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Old 26 Jul 2013, 08:53 (Ref:3281760)   #18
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but he won whatever title preceded his 3.5 campaign so he can't have been that bad, right?
He won the Formula BMW Europe, 2.0 Eurocup and 3.5 titles in 3 years, not too shabby I'd say.
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Old 26 Jul 2013, 09:40 (Ref:3281776)   #19
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What constitutes 'a history' in this case?
I know of his move (and I use the word 'move' very loosely) at the end of FR3.5 last year, but does that one stupid move really mean he has 'a history'?
I'm not familiar with his pre-3.5 days so for all I know he may have been horrendous before then, but he won whatever title preceded his 3.5 campaign so he can't have been that bad, right?
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He made another late dive that weekend on Nasr, but Nasr let him through generously. There's also his dive on Richelmi in Bahrain that caused damage. I also don't like the way he drove Calado off the track at Silverstone and he had a few unsavory incidents last year in FR3.5 as well. I'm hesitant to sweep it all under the rug, and maybe it's nothing to worry about and he'll be fine in F1, but I don't know.
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Old 26 Jul 2013, 10:54 (Ref:3281799)   #20
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he stood out as being err robust in 3.5, since that's not really the kind of driving you get there. but off the top of my head he never really got any penalties aside from barcelona, which imo was right. silverstone was a bit borderline but the stewards are by the book and don't *not* penalise someone for being a championship leader or anything.

nasr let him through "generously"? isn't that just smart racing? usually late dives end up in going offline and you can get the place back... i'll give you that dive on richelmi though, that was very silly. i do agree that he's got a history of silly, but gp2 encourages that kind of crap so can you blame him for going native?

saying he'll be a crasher like gutierrez is daft, frankly. i don't see it as a risk for sauber at all. the only risk is for frijns himself, but if not now, then when?

(don't know why i'm defending him like a fangirl, his driving bothers me as well, but it's nowhere NEAR as bad as people seem to think)
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i don't see it as a risk for sauber at all.
The risk is the TV money. Who do you think is likely to accumulate the most points for Sauber between now and the end of the year Hulkenberg or Frijns ?
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Old 26 Jul 2013, 14:28 (Ref:3281853)   #22
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i think the suggestion was that hulkenberg would sit out the rest of the season and learn the ropes at ferrari. then again it could have been lotus and i got the wrong end of the rumour stick.

it seems odd, but i suppose it kind of makes sense. it's a bit of an odd situation in that hulkenberg is now effectively driving without a contract, and if he has an offer for next year he's better off spending the time learning the new team, getting into the process of developing the new car and developing the relevant personal relationships with people he'll be working with closely next year. his alternative is to hang around and race a car he's not having a great deal of success with and finds difficult to drive, and not be quite so prepared next season.
You know what they sould do? Ask Caterham if they can have Giedo for the rest of the season. They would do well to get Heikki back in the car and make it better, Sauber could use the cash and Giedo would surely be quite happy to move.
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He made another late dive that weekend on Nasr, but Nasr let him through generously. There's also his dive on Richelmi in Bahrain that caused damage. I also don't like the way he drove Calado off the track at Silverstone and he had a few unsavory incidents last year in FR3.5 as well. I'm hesitant to sweep it all under the rug, and maybe it's nothing to worry about and he'll be fine in F1, but I don't know.
Any series that starts reverse grid rubbish is inviting this type of driving!

Silly move granted, though in F1 he would probably have been considered alongside, where Bird would have been expected to go, I don't know!
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Old 27 Jul 2013, 10:00 (Ref:3282196)   #24
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The risk is the TV money. Who do you think is likely to accumulate the most points for Sauber between now and the end of the year Hulkenberg or Frijns ?
True; however, I think that it is unlikely that Sauber would overhaul the likes of Toro Rosso (or anyone above) in the constructors championship. Similarly, I can't see Caterham or Marussia making up the deficit to Sauber. As such, the only risk is that Williams get their act together and push Sauber down to 9th in the standings.
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Put him in Massa's seat now !
That's Mr Ricciardo's seat, for when Mr Raikkonen takes #2 at RBR...
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Old 27 Jul 2013, 11:20 (Ref:3282213)   #26
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Surely Sauber should understand that Gutierrez has been a failure. Plus, Sirotkin isn't a dead cert. He'll be 18. That's too young.

Frijns and Hulkenberg would be an epic line-up, but I'm pretty sure the line-up will have 1 driver for skills and 1 for money, just like we had with Perez (money) and Kobayashi. It's just lucky that Perez was so rapid.

Frijns/Sirotkin
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Hulkenberg/Sirotkin
Hulkenberg/Gutierrez

They're the 4 I can see happening.
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Old 27 Jul 2013, 22:45 (Ref:3282519)   #27
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That's Mr Ricciardo's seat, for when Mr Raikkonen takes #2 at RBR...
Seriously doubt that somehow, Ricciardo will stay at STR.
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Old 27 Jul 2013, 23:08 (Ref:3282527)   #28
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Plus, Sirotkin isn't a dead cert. He'll be 18. That's too young.
Whilst he is young, he has competed in more races than the likes of Raikkonen (I'm not saying that Sirotkin is the equal of Raikkonen, though). Therefore, if given enough track time, I see no reason why an eighteen year old could not theoretically do a half decent job in F1.
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Well he did win a Renault 3.5 championship and is capable of winning races so I wouldn't see any reason to not try this out and also since he has no money maybe Sauber could get away with offering a cheaper offer that gives Frijns Job stability (hard to find in F1) it would be really low to do that but that's how most money related sports work :/
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I cannot fathom Nico walking away from a race seat, having already sat on the sidelines for a year. If he's in line for Massa's seat, good on him, but spend the 4 months over winter to get used to the Ferrari, don't throw away your current drive.

I don't see Massa being replaced mid-season. He SHOULD be. But Ferrari are too loyal to him.

I don't see Frijns, who can't even get a drive in GP2 (which is ridiculous) suddenly jumping up to the (currently) 5th fastest team in F1. What with the pacesetters from last season Razia and Valsecchi not even with drives and Bianca in the slowest team. He simply hasn't done a good enough job in GP2 in 2013. That one win was what he should be doing, but Lancaster's had a couple and is vastly less experienced. Frijns has struggled in some of the other races, being way down the grid, and hasn't been able to manage his tyres well at all, which is important for F1.

Still, the time is better than any I guess; if you can have Bottas going from Gp3 to F1 and succeeding, then Frijns from WSR champion to F1 works.
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