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Old 5 Apr 2013, 16:38 (Ref:3229589)   #126
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The 2013 tyres are a step to far in the wrong direction..

Please listen to Mark Webber on this subject, the man is right !
Mark Webber "is right" because he knows that his team will annihilate the other teams if Pirelli give in to Red Bull's demands.

It is also a fact that Mark Webber can't make the tyres last as long as Vettel can, and that is why he was on the hard tyre during the closing stages of the Malaysian GP, whilst Vettel was on the faster medium tyre.
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Old 6 Apr 2013, 13:42 (Ref:3229931)   #127
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Marbot where would this thread be without your staunch support of Pirelli? dont get me wrong because i love it and much respect to you for taking us all on and infuriatingly winning

so to try and change the dynamic because changing your mind has proven too difficult, leaving the logic of the one supplier and the fact that Pirelli are just doing what they are told aside, do you actually believe the balance this year is better or worse than the last two years? is it improving or is this year a step backwards in your opinion?
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Old 6 Apr 2013, 17:26 (Ref:3229980)   #128
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so to try and change the dynamic because changing your mind has proven too difficult,
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Old 6 Apr 2013, 18:19 (Ref:3229997)   #129
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I'm so glad that the regulations, and specifically the tyre ones, are not completely favouring the team that probably has the most downforce. If they did, then we would be in for a lot of races where we see a finger being pointed at the sky.

Red Bull knew that this seasons tyres would probably be softer than last seasons tyres, and certainly before the end of last season. But now they complain that their car has so much downforce that it's wrecking the tyres. Well, if your definition of the best car is one that has the most downforce, then yes, you may have a valid claim, but F1 is not about having a car with the most downforce.
I thought a car with lots of downforce actually preserves tyres? It was always the cars with little aero (ie the minnows) that suffered more tyre wear due to less aero and more sliding...?
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Old 7 Apr 2013, 22:15 (Ref:3230622)   #130
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As I understand it, the preservation requirements mean that they must not push too much during the race, thus not using their full downforce capabilities.
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Old 7 Apr 2013, 23:43 (Ref:3230644)   #131
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As I understand it, the preservation requirements mean that they must not push too much during the race, thus not using their full downforce capabilities.
Mark Webber calls that racing at 75%...
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Old 8 Apr 2013, 08:36 (Ref:3230765)   #132
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Lots of people on here were moaning because the cars had too much downforce. Now that having too much downforce is a bad thing, they're moaning because they can't use all of that downforce.

Some people are just never satisfied.
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Old 8 Apr 2013, 11:24 (Ref:3230861)   #133
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Old 8 Apr 2013, 12:35 (Ref:3230889)   #134
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I don't have a big issue with these tyres. Anything (almost anything; I begrudgingly accept DRS and KERS) that takes the emphasis away from aero suits me more than aero dominance. That said, I wonder if the balance is quite right and does not sufficiently reward raw pace anymore. The balance is probably a little different to what it is now but not too much.

I feel this is a golden era (one of many) of Formula 1, but for different reasons from the past. I'd like far more technical freedom, something stifled in contemporary F1, but the racing is brilliant.
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Old 12 Apr 2013, 14:51 (Ref:3232994)   #136
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Where is the 'race strategy' if you don't stop for fuel or tyres?
The driver will have to find the best possible strategy by himself.

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If you're advocating for another tyre war, the 05 Indy debacle has thwarted that idea, unless you are thinking in terms of making the tyres last for multiple race distances with a penalty for changing the tyres prematurely.
The disaster of the 2005 United States Grand Prix had nothing to do with the tyre war. No wonder the FIA changed the regulations after standardizing the tyres, allowing the sole tyre supplier to introduce a new compound during the race weekend in case they find out the supplied tyres are unsuitable and could cause an unsafe situation.

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Lots of people on here were moaning because the cars had too much downforce. Now that having too much downforce is a bad thing, they're moaning because they can't use all of that downforce.
As the regulations are very restrictive and have more or less standardized major components, the semi-spec aerodynamics are one of the remaining areas in which teams are allowed to do a better job than their opponents. However, with the current tyres doing a better job does not pay off.
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Just waiting for the latest passionate defence of Pirelli from the usual crew.
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I don't have a big issue with these tyres. Anything (almost anything; I begrudgingly accept DRS and KERS) that takes the emphasis away from aero suits me more than aero dominance. That said, I wonder if the balance is quite right and does not sufficiently reward raw pace anymore. The balance is probably a little different to what it is now but not too much.

I feel this is a golden era (one of many) of Formula 1, but for different reasons from the past. I'd like far more technical freedom, something stifled in contemporary F1, but the racing is brilliant.
Good but rather contrived.....
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It is said that Pirelli will supply more durable tyres from the Spanish Grand Prix.
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Define "more durable." I mean, Seb was uber-quick at the end with a light fuel load and all and still his tyres lasted (when you think about it) approximately 500 seconds before "deg" set in.

One would think the tyres should last at least as long as the average sexual encounter between willing partners...
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One would think the tyres should last at least as long as the average sexual encounter between willing partners...
Well it seems that these tyres fall apart before anyone can really get going as it were...
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So David matey what you think of the tyres so far...
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I am sorry David I could not resist..

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On a more serious note it looks like Pirelli are going to take a look at compounds, which is a bit strange because if they make changes now, then what about the first three race results would they have been different I wonder ?
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No different to last season though really. It started silly and got more conservative. Then some fans got a bit uppity and we are back where we started. Just an interminable loop of bad tyre/sensible tyre pish.
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It is said that Pirelli will supply more durable tyres from the Spanish Grand Prix.
Medium and hard, do you reckon?

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The driver will have to find the best possible strategy by himself.
Really? Will he not have his team telling him how much he needs to twiddle with knobs, etc?



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The disaster of the 2005 United States Grand Prix had nothing to do with the tyre war.
Yes they did. The FIA have no control over how any tyre manufacturer makes a tyre with regard to pushing the boundaries on safe construction during a tyre war. A faster tyre will necessarily be of lighter construction (less unsprung weight), and the lighter the better. Fact.



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However, with the current tyres doing a better job does not pay off.
Were you not watching todays race? Which cars finished first, second, third, fourth and fifth?

It's not like Marussia were in with a chance of victory.
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