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18 Nov 2003, 20:22 (Ref:787549) | #26 | ||
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I believe, allegedly, that a number of mechanics were required to carry Brabham rear wings in the mid '70's...
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If you want creative rule bending look at Smokey Yunick. He was a very creative NASCAR mechanic (although I think he won the Indy 500 as an owner once). He built a 7/8ths scale Chevelle and built a car with a 2 inch, 11 foot long fuel line that would run without a gas tank. I think these were mentioned before. He did a lot of things like this. Shortly before he passed on he claimed to have run a flywheel supercharger undetected for several years in the late 50's. I would personally like to know how he pulled that off without it being found. www.smokeyyunick.com has more information about him and a few of the books he wrote for sale. There's also a book called Cheating that I would recommend, it has a lot more examples of creative rule bending in NASCAR.
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These are all great- i knew a car that in a sportsracer2000 race it ran so well through the corners, and really turned well, good lap times and was the class of the field. Everything passed tech, until the car was wrecked and as it was trailered abck to the pits, the radiator was found to have lead in the lower tank, keeping the car so well planted...
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One of my favourite stories concerns the F1 team who noticed during practice at a mid-70's GP that their pit signalling position was VERY close to the position of the timing beam on the finish line- so much so, that if you swung it out in just the right manner, your signalling board could break the beam a couple of tenths before your car did.....
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Good article by Mike Lawrence covering some classic examples F1 rule-bending, including the pit board story (March at the 1975 Swedish GP- I should have known Max Mosely would have been involved ) and Brabham's heavyweight bodywork...
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Using a 1.5l turbo engine. The rules were meant for supercharging rather than turbocharging. Arguably a turbo is a 2nd engine. So all the turbo engines were illegal.
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This was a clever one..At Spa for one of the first GP's on the new circuit the timing beam was still sited by the old pits, at the bottom of the hill rather than by the new F1 pits. Keke Rosberg's Williams, in qualifying, overshot La Source hairpin and sailed up the road towards the circuit entrance, under the Stella Bridge. I was marshalling on the inside of La Source and was a bit perplexed because there did not seem to be a problem, he just overshot the corner big time. Suddenly he re-appeared going like a bat out of hell, and proceded to set the fastest time of the session, simply because he had fantastic speed through the beam at the start of the lap. No one else realised what was happening and he was the only person to try the scam....
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Somebody help me out here..at some track the pitboard guys were able to break the beam with their clipboard and give the driver a quick time.
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The "he had fantastic speed through the beam at the start of the lap" idea is good, At Sebring before the start finish line was moved to it present location it was on under the bridge, for qualifying, (Bruce Mcguinness told me the story) So when quali was going (before they put the wall on the exit of the last or tunnel turn) it was a field of grass, so a few drivers would do their flying lap and instead of slowing to cross the line under the bridge, they'd shoot right through and runoff into the field, not messing up the car enough so as it would be a problem and qualifying a good sec or more faster than doing the course proper.
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""""At the 1975 Swedish GP, Vittorio took pole. Nobody could believe it. Everyone had a theory about the car's new found speed, but nobody could work out how the Monza Gorilla could get pole."""
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Sorry...just my way of pointing out that this is the same Mad Max, president of the FIA whose honesty and integrity we are not supposed question.
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19 Nov 2003, 22:28 (Ref:788787) | #39 | ||
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And of course there's the story that Harry Schell found a shortcut during practice for the first US Grand Prix in 1959 and got himself on the front row of the grid.
I've read this in several places, but I have to wonder how he managed to judge it just right and gain about 6 seconds without overdoing it. Mind you, looking at the times there was an incredible spread of times - 13.8 seconds covered the first twelve starters (the serious contenders) and the slowest starter was 43.8 seconds behind the pole man. |
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The 1971 Kart World Championship used a light beam for the individual qualifying runs. All went smoothly until the reigning champion, Francois Goldstein, completed his lap. He strained forward in his seat, stretched out his left leg in fron of the bumper, and broke the light beam a fraction of a second earlier to get pole.
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Another favorite with bending the rules is where NASCAR drivers would place a lead helmet or water bottle in their car during pre-race inspection to bring the weight up. The cars weren't weighed after the race so they got away with it. They used to do a similar thing by hiding lead shot inside the frame rails, which would be dumped onto the track on the first lap. Some people got as much as 300 pounds of shot in the cars! It must have been intresting to try to race on that stuff.
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Apologies, that should of course have been the Wheatcroft Chicane on the National Circuit. As far as greater corner speed is concerned, I'm led to believe because the car is accelerating earlier all through the corner, it is balanced differently thus giving extra speed. Perhaps one of our more knowledgable racers out there could confirm this would be the case(or otherwise) |
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And what about the BTCC team who's crew chief was heard LIVE on the telly saying to his driver (who had just won the race) - "Don't forget the marbles, drive on the marbles, pick up as much rubber as you can for the ride height"?
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20 Nov 2003, 13:10 (Ref:789457) | #48 | ||
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Didnt Senna do one at Magny Cours where he went flat out through the last corner to get pole, totally writing off his car in the process.
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20 Nov 2003, 13:30 (Ref:789481) | #49 | |
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There is a Metro Cup driver who at Rockingham gained pole position because he "outbraked himself at that blo**y silly hairpin" and continued on the oval, thus negaiting the need to drive the fiddily & time consuming infield section, on two occasions. for some reason the first time was discounted but the second time stood!
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What about the secret, switchable toluene tank in the petrol tank allegedly used on the RS500 Tourers in the 80's ??
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