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Old 13 Aug 2015, 15:14 (Ref:3565807)   #31
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ooh that's interesting - must have cost them an arm and a leg in the end, though i guess oulton by nature limits the crowd a bit!

was the powertour thing back in the day cheaper/some free tickets, or was it just the promotion thingy?
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Old 13 Aug 2015, 19:18 (Ref:3565861)   #32
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was the powertour thing back in the day cheaper/some free tickets, or was it just the promotion thingy?
I seem to recall that tickets for the bulk of events were priced at the normal levels. There were some events (one at Rockingham springs to mind) where greater promotion/reduced price tickets were available.
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Old 13 Aug 2015, 21:12 (Ref:3565891)   #33
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Powertour was built and set up to rival BTCC, they ran F3 abd GT I think.

The same people later took on the PR at the Classic. Roger Etcell I think?
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Old 14 Aug 2015, 11:36 (Ref:3565968)   #34
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Bella - You are quite right about the cost of circuit hire frightening off prospective event organisers, but that is slowly starting to change as more and more weekend dates are going unsold to racing activities.
With many venues now being forced to run Trackdays on what were once Prime weekend dates, the operators are beginning to become more open to unusual ideas.
Watch this space.

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Powertour was a Roger Etcell/Chris Norman/Peter Gaydon project, designed to make the old F3/GT package more promotable and welcoming to prospective spectators.
It got swallowed whole by BMP (remember them?) and the new people running it didn't have the passion or knowledge to follow the idea through correctly.

Stephan Ratel (SRO) who has come in for much - mostly unfair - critisism stepped in to save it from being dropped entirely from the promoted calendar. It has never really recovered from the BMP years.
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Old 14 Aug 2015, 12:19 (Ref:3565975)   #35
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I do remember Powertour, and at the time it was promoted very much to rival BTCC, but obviously without the real background of success that had.

If yu think about it though, both sportscars and F3 have since turned into Europe wide series, it i difficult to attract racers to rcae at Knockhill, Croft and Rockingham when for a little extra budget the drivers and sometimes teams could be racing at Monza, Spa and Barcelona. Similarly to F3, the budgets there got insane, almost F3000 levels.

Track days are interesting, a clear way to maiximise profit at circuits without the huge outlay in terms of security. And they have done very well on both two and four wheels.

But, they do not involve people new to the sport, that is done by experience days that can be done anywhere from a disused airfield somewhere to Silverstone. Rockingham in fact has made this their core business. And seem to do OK with it, after spending an inordinate amount trying to get poeple to go there and watch races with concerts, free days etc.

So the trouble seems to stem from getting people along first, and then most importantly keeping them interested.
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Bella - You are quite right about the cost of circuit hire frightening off prospective event organisers, but that is slowly starting to change as more and more weekend dates are going unsold to racing activities.
With many venues now being forced to run Trackdays on what were once Prime weekend dates, the operators are beginning to become more open to unusual ideas.
Watch this space.
for example, croft have a 2 day trackday on the sunday/monday of august bank holiday weekend which just seems ridiculous. it's great for the trackday industry because people don't need to be out of the office and can still have a go, but it can't be good for the "sport" bit of the "motorsport" industry. if people can't go and see racing, what are they aspiring to when they take their road car/trackday special on track?

i'm not sure this rapidly expanding idea of a big summer break for the entire sport is such a good idea either - many of the big series taking a break during the month of august seems like a prime time for circuits to be booked solid with stuff for parents and kids to go and watch. and let's be real, we don't exactly have a summer here either, and august is one of the warmest months of the year. it's fine for f1, but anything below that really should be capitalising on it, not joining them.
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Old 14 Aug 2015, 12:43 (Ref:3565979)   #37
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The fact that people consider this headline worthy puts it into perspective for any club events

BRDC & ACO to work together to promote Silverstone 6 hours
http://www.dailysportscar.com/2015/0...six-hours.html


If this is an issue for arguably the no.2 series (4 wheels) in the world, what chance does a group of weekend warriors have?
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Old 14 Aug 2015, 17:38 (Ref:3566036)   #38
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Saw something hilarious today which just about sums up the MSA's approach to this kind of thing and participation in general.

They were advertising for a job to sort of promote take up and increase participation in club levek motorsport. Soudns awesome doesn't it?

Except it wasn't a job, it was an internship! So they get some kid out of uni who has probably done Formula Student, real groundbreaking stuff. They mght do good, but theya re not proven.

Why not advertise for a proper person, someone quallified with a proven record instead of kopping out and recruiting someone on the cheap!

Makes me laugh
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It depends if it is the only role doing it. I've come across departments where everyone in it would have a very similar job description (hence advert), but the level of responsibility changes. Can you tell from the advert if the intern is the only person working on it?
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Old 14 Aug 2015, 23:43 (Ref:3566108)   #40
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I dismissed it quicly Adam, I am looking for work myself at the moment and often type in random motorsport things into job searces more out of interest than anything, and it was definitely an internship.

As you say is pretty much clear it would be an assitants job, cheap labour, as most magazines do now,a nd roll them through three months at a time.
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Or....its a toe in the water. Find out with a cheap intern whether the job would work before rolling it out to full timers in the future.
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Old 16 Aug 2015, 11:30 (Ref:3566281)   #42
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Lol you would like to think so

But this is the MSA!
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