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Old 8 Jun 2016, 22:06 (Ref:3648346)   #16
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I think the reasons are fairly obvious viewing wise.

IMG seemingly want to go to existing circuits, so that means building something on a large infield area.

Barcelona's track is inside their stadium section, as is Hockenheims, and in Mettet you are above some of the track and can't access all of it. Canada is similar in some ways, as were most of the GRC and Xgames tracks. It is THEIR way of presenting rallycross to you.

If you had a sort of stadium section at Silverstone a track there would work, but there really isnt one. Not on that you could fit a track into anyway.

Mallory are skint and wouldnt be able to afford the hosting rights, Lydden only can coz Pat is a founder member and is loaded!!
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Old 8 Jun 2016, 22:08 (Ref:3648348)   #17
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For me best possible venue is somewhere like Santa Pod, they embrace new motorsport, are great with marketing nationally and locally, central, can host far bigger events than rallycross ever will be and also are in with the same sort of diabetes sugar drinking crowds, drifting, freestyle mx and stunt riding monster trucks yawn that IMG seem to think we can't watch rallycross without
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Old 8 Jun 2016, 23:20 (Ref:3648352)   #18
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Careful what we wish for here; if the WRX left Lydden then it would be the end of Lydden.
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Old 9 Jun 2016, 05:36 (Ref:3648378)   #19
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Careful what we wish for here; if the WRX left Lydden then it would be the end of Lydden.


Well, Pat Doran was part of the bunch of people who started the IMG/WRX collaboration....
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Old 9 Jun 2016, 09:20 (Ref:3648415)   #20
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Careful what we wish for here; if the WRX left Lydden then it would be the end of Lydden.
Agreed - and with no Lydden what future for Rallycross in the UK? We're not awash with circuits as it is. Pembrey, Blyton, Croft - does Knockhill still have the rallycross sections? (and is Knockhill viable anyway?)
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Old 9 Jun 2016, 10:45 (Ref:3648427)   #21
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Careful what we wish for here; if the WRX left Lydden then it would be the end of Lydden.
It's certainly not what I'm wishing for. I've spent more time at Lydden than any other circuit in the UK and I'd be gutted to see it go.

Does anyone know what the result was of the latest planning permission submission made by Lydden last year? Lydden were asking for support for the application and the vast majority of comments on the Dover Council site seemed to be positive, so I hoped they might be successful.

I thought that dropping the bulk of drift events from the calendar might be a move to support the development of the track, but I've seen no more on the matter.
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Old 9 Jun 2016, 17:29 (Ref:3648519)   #22
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FIA Rallycross should visit more rallycross "parks" like Holjes, Hell, Estering, Nyrad, Kouvola.
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Agreed - and with no Lydden what future for Rallycross in the UK? We're not awash with circuits as it is. Pembrey, Blyton, Croft - does Knockhill still have the rallycross sections? (and is Knockhill viable anyway?)
Knockhill still has a rallycross section and it was in fairly good condition last time we were there. The reason why it has been dropped is purely cost. The circuit hire costs increased and it became unviable to run a meeting there, as it the entry numbers were always lower there.
It is a shame because I recall one clubmans meeting where another event was being run for rallycars on the the hill and the other side of the circuit, keeping the hire cost down.

If Silverstone do build a rallycross section it would make sense for it to be a permanent venue which could be used by both the MSA and BTRDA organisers as well. The venue is plenty big enough to run a rallycross event in one area and another event on another part of the circuit too. Or maybe run a rallycross meeting at the same time as one of the other big events they have like Fordfair.

The loss of WRX would not necessarily spell the end for Lydden, there is a slowly growing base of new drivers in the sport, and former drivers are also being tempted back. If this keeps increasing then all the other meetings will more and more viable, and we may get back to the position of having more meetings with regional sub championships and circuit championships.
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Old 2 Jan 2017, 16:51 (Ref:3699717)   #25
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Knockhill still has a rallycross section and it was in fairly good condition last time we were there. The reason why it has been dropped is purely cost. The circuit hire costs increased and it became unviable to run a meeting there, as it the entry numbers were always lower there.
It is a shame because I recall one clubmans meeting where another event was being run for rallycars on the the hill and the other side of the circuit, keeping the hire cost down.

If Silverstone do build a rallycross section it would make sense for it to be a permanent venue which could be used by both the MSA and BTRDA organisers as well. The venue is plenty big enough to run a rallycross event in one area and another event on another part of the circuit too. Or maybe run a rallycross meeting at the same time as one of the other big events they have like Fordfair.

The loss of WRX would not necessarily spell the end for Lydden, there is a slowly growing base of new drivers in the sport, and former drivers are also being tempted back. If this keeps increasing then all the other meetings will more and more viable, and we may get back to the position of having more meetings with regional sub championships and circuit championships.

It could ultimately be a good thing, on one hand the sport of WRX for those who can afford it at Silverstone once a year, and for the rest of us plain old fashioned rallycross in a strong championship or championships. I am old enough to remember when the BTRDA ran the first ever national championship in the UK and that was not a bad thing....................
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I increasingly think IMG is doing what the FA Premiership did for football - creaming cash off the fans while gradually destroying the roots of the sport that made it.

We will end up with a TV sport that makes a few quid for a few years but at the expense of Lydden and the rest of the domestic rallycross community.

Grassroots motorsport venues are dying in the UK - I would rather go to Wimbledon, Coventry and Lydden over Silverstone any day. This is just another nail in the coffin.
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I increasingly think IMG is doing what the FA Premiership did for football - creaming cash off the fans while gradually destroying the roots of the sport that made it.

We will end up with a TV sport that makes a few quid for a few years but at the expense of Lydden and the rest of the domestic rallycross community.

Grassroots motorsport venues are dying in the UK - I would rather go to Wimbledon, Coventry and Lydden over Silverstone any day. This is just another nail in the coffin.
Three of the above mentioned tracks are all but screwed.
Wimbledon says goodbye March 26th
Coventry is a mess if you have been following that sad story
Lydden, even the Doran's must have a cut off point.
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Knockhill still has a rallycross section and it was in fairly good condition last time we were there. The reason why it has been dropped is purely cost. The circuit hire costs increased and it became unviable to run a meeting there, as it the entry numbers were always lower there.
It is a shame because I recall one clubmans meeting where another event was being run for rallycars on the the hill and the other side of the circuit, keeping the hire cost down.

If Silverstone do build a rallycross section it would make sense for it to be a permanent venue which could be used by both the MSA and BTRDA organisers as well. The venue is plenty big enough to run a rallycross event in one area and another event on another part of the circuit too. Or maybe run a rallycross meeting at the same time as one of the other big events they have like Fordfair.

The loss of WRX would not necessarily spell the end for Lydden, there is a slowly growing base of new drivers in the sport, and former drivers are also being tempted back. If this keeps increasing then all the other meetings will more and more viable, and we may get back to the position of having more meetings with regional sub championships and circuit championships.
Ten points for anyone who remembers who was first to roll when the Rallycross returned in 2003 to Knockhill?
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Old 2 Jan 2017, 17:59 (Ref:3699738)   #29
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The situation at Wimbledon is fairly obvious, as with Coventry. The land there is worth tens of millions. the only sad part is that it has been sold to a football club that should not even exist, who have already dumped an old club from their ground in Kingston and have only got the permission because of a bunch of old boys and some promises on housing.

Coventry is rather different, if you knew much about it, you would know it was always going to be sold, again it is commuter belt for Brum and Cov in a lovely village and the land can hold praps 200 houses or 100 or so exec ones. It was always going to be sold, the guy who owned it told us so, what is wrong is the pathetic way it has all been done, smallville gangster style, which as it happens is not that far from the truth.

Lydden as a venue is fairly secure. there is a lot of land there and much of it disused, but developing it into a car port or something would cost a lot, junctions would need to be made etc, and the locals would rather have a track than that I can assure you.

What others have said is true, amalgamate the series, run in ireland and you might sow the seeds of future stability.

or we continue as we are and go the same way as autocross.
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