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Old 22 Nov 2005, 07:16 (Ref:2243597)   #1
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Alfa Romeo 8C 2900B Coupe (1938 Le Mans)

I search to find what is this car. Do you have any ideas ?
I think this picture has been taken at Silverstone but I'm not sure...


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Old 22 Nov 2005, 08:49 (Ref:2243600)   #2
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It's an Alfa 8C 2900 with body by Carrozzeria Touring which was built for the 1938 Le Mans race, which is probably where the picture was taken.
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Old 22 Nov 2005, 09:04 (Ref:2243602)   #3
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well the one thing i know for sure is that they are all in for one hell of a *******ing from the ACO, complete disregard for the regs here. no goggles, no fireman (well cant see him), to many people in the pit lane, fueling whilst the engine cover is up. And is that man wearing plus 4's, immediate stop go for those!
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Old 22 Nov 2005, 09:24 (Ref:2243604)   #4
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This is a very famous car, still owned and kept by Alfa in their museum and allowed out occasionally for special events. As Dave Brand says it is the 1938 8C 2900B fitted with a body by Carrozzeria Touring and the only one built in this form. It was entered for that year's Le Mans carrying the no 19, and that photo above is therefore taken in the pits at Le Mans. The car was driven by Sommer and Biondetti, and was devastatingly fast. At the end of 12 hours, it was leading by 5 laps comfortably outpacing all its pursuers with performance in hand. After 21 hours it had a 12 lap lead, due both to its continuing pace and attrition amongst its competitors. However, it then had a front wheel puncture which damaged the bodywork. Following pitwork it continued to lead but then had a engine valve break, resulting in several pitstops and finally retirement, when Biondetti limped into the pits at the end of 22 hours. A Magnificent run, a magnificent failure and a magnificent motor car. A truly great GT car before that term was coined.
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well the one thing i know for sure is that they are all in for one hell of a *******ing from the ACO, complete disregard for the regs here. no goggles, no fireman (well cant see him), to many people in the pit lane, fueling whilst the engine cover is up. And is that man wearing plus 4's, immediate stop go for those!
Well don't forget we are talking 1938 here. However, I agree that, unless you knew, the appearance of the car could suggest an early 1950's picture.

Incidentally, Minichamps produced a good model of this car a year or two back, limited to 4004 pieces. It's an absolute must for anyone collecting Le Mans models.
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Old 22 Nov 2005, 11:19 (Ref:2243606)   #6
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Incidentally, Minichamps produced a good model of this car a year or two back, limited to 4004 pieces. It's an absolute must for anyone collecting Le Mans models.
Also released by a company called Pinko (worth looking out for) and as a handbuilt by Provence Moulage (just before they went bust).

Minichamps model looks like this,
http://www.minichamps.de/content_fra...3=160&cat4=168
Pinko like this,
http://www.gammamodels.com/modello.asp?idauton=265
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Old 22 Nov 2005, 12:04 (Ref:2243607)   #7
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The Alfa 8C LM coupe was informally known as "The Devil's Breath."
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This is a very famous car, still owned and kept by Alfa in their museum and allowed out occasionally for special events. As Dave Brand says it is the 1938 8C 2900B fitted with a body by Carrozzeria Touring and the only one built in this form. It was entered for that year's Le Mans carrying the no 19, and that photo above is therefore taken in the pits at Le Mans. The car was driven by Sommer and Biondetti, and was devastatingly fast. At the end of 12 hours, it was leading by 5 laps comfortably outpacing all its pursuers with performance in hand. After 21 hours it had a 12 lap lead, due both to its continuing pace and attrition amongst its competitors. However, it then had a front wheel puncture which damaged the bodywork. Following pitwork it continued to lead but then had a engine valve brake resulting in several pitstops and finally retirement, when Biondetti limped into the pits at the end of 22 hours. A Magnificent run, a magnificent failure and a magnificent motor car. A truly great GT car before that term was coined.
Just to add, it was basically the lone challenger to the hordes of French Delages, Delahayes and Talbots. The Alfa ran ahead of them - and the Bugatti race record pace from the year before - before backing off a bit.

Such was it's lead it took the eventual winner an hour or more to actually overhaul the distance covered by the Alfa. One of the great hard-luck stories of Le Mans history.

It's one of my all-time favourites, partly due to that story, and partly due to its appearance. I've always preferred coupes, and that was one of the few closed cars to appear at Le Mans before WW2. I think it's fantastic!

As an extra note, I believe there was a smaller engined Alfa 8C entered the following year with similar bodywork, but that car had a nightmare run.

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So that's where BMW got the idea!
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Old 22 Nov 2005, 16:01 (Ref:2243614)   #11
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Are you referring to the 328 Coupe that finished 5th at Le Mans in 1939? There were certainly some styling similarities.

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Old 22 Nov 2005, 17:10 (Ref:2243615)   #12
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No, I'm referring to the much more recent M-Coupe and the newer Z4-based "breadwagon." The resemblence in the Le Mans pits photo is erie.

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Well, in a way there could be a link. The M coupe (which I think is a wonderful crazy tool) was based on the Z3 which was decidedly, and intentionally retro (as to a certain extent is the Z4), and clearly took its styling cues from earlier BMWs. The BMW coupe I mentioned above had a styling much in common with the Alfa, so you may well have identified the link.
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Old 29 Nov 2005, 12:12 (Ref:2243624)   #14
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It's great that there are models of this. Only thing about the Minichamps one is that I think the red is too dark

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BBR did a very nice handlbuild of the 2.9 coupe a few years ago as well (which I have in company with the two BBR short-chassis Touring Spyders). It makes the Minichamps an even better value for money, although I don't believe that either company got the tail just exactly correct.
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