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Old 7 Feb 2009, 12:34 (Ref:2390416)   #16
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OK Jt hopw about you collate all you have and maybe dump here as 1 long thread with names cars to refer back to but i think if we wnet yeaqr on year we willcathc the cars a sthey materialise or we willend up with 2 guys yapping away on minis form 81 back to 75 and forward again while others are talking escorts imps and baby bertha and nothing will logically get sorted

Is it possible to have this thread with tiers or drop down menu to have each year?
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Old 8 Feb 2009, 08:16 (Ref:2390768)   #17
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Ok, what I'll do, is continue to pull together the posts, that at least highlight the individual cars. Afterall, it is surely the first aim, to identify as many of thgem as possible. I'll do the earlier cars first because I understand those a little better, and from my point of view the earliest example that I remember is 'Doc' Merfield's Fraud Cortina. You can then start dissecting it, to build it the way you wish.

The later cars are going to be more difficult, but we do have a number of big threads covering them off. I suspect it is these where putting them into specific years may be ultimately beneficial. I also suspect it is the area that the frequenters of this archive have a greater interest in collating because they often involved the use of chassis from racing car manufacturers that you all have a penchant for!

I doubt that we can add a dropdown menu to a thread, but, I can but ask!
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Old 8 Feb 2009, 09:32 (Ref:2390925)   #18
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Split Decision?

If this grows like I suspect it will would there be a chance of another Sub-Forum like the Chassis Archive but specifically for Saloon Cars? I see this containing not just Special Saloons but also all the threads on Group A, BTCC, etc.

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Old 8 Feb 2009, 11:56 (Ref:2391000)   #19
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Steve, you are just sooo demanding ..... but I guess it's a possibility!

At the moment, I'm having problems copying some of the threads over to my 'work area' but will get there, eventually!

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Old 8 Feb 2009, 12:21 (Ref:2391012)   #20
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Trust SW to addd ina 3rd diemsnion next we will be in the Twilight zone
as far as i am concerned and AB willno doubt agree BTCC GpA etc are different threads and soem cars are already being discussed in deatil plus Frank de jong has a website with info there is another for BTCC chassi numbers/car info so lest not waste time duplicating these concepts

this thread should be for special saloon and later Donington Gt cars

some o fthese willneed autospsort race reports read and pit n paddock and adverts for sale gleaned
in some other cases race programmes form teh various cicrucits will sort out many cars

there are lots of tiddlers 850 cc class 1 litre class 1300 class Minis imps anglias the larger classes 1600--5 litres not so many cars and easily dissected plus the website with the 70`s racing photos has already disesected many of these cars with fotos of each year/car owner

I recall a lot of the cars from mid 74 onwards till 185 ish cos my father raced special saloons Don GT before he went single seater / sports car racing
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Old 8 Feb 2009, 13:10 (Ref:2391038)   #21
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allenbrown should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridallenbrown should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
The difference to me is that the saloon car racing experts such as Frank will cover Group 1, Group 2 and maybe Group 4 (in 1970s-speak) and sports car experts such as Martin will cover aspects of Group 4 as well as Group 5, Group 6 and and Group 7 but these cars fall outside those definitions so are in danger of being completely ignored.
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Old 8 Feb 2009, 14:20 (Ref:2391075)   #22
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BTCC Gp a etc is covered elsewhere special sallons is club racing means frik all to rest of world although most countries had similar concept of saloon car racein

all i can say is K.I.S.S
keep it simple stupid!
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Old 8 Feb 2009, 16:22 (Ref:2391134)   #23
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1969 Drivers/Cars seen

24/04/69

John Myerscough 1594 Anglia
Peter Jackson 1594 Cortina
Gerry Marshall 1975 Viva GT
Terry McNally 997 Anglia
Ken Coffey 1594 Escort - #
John McDonald 1594 Anglia
John Morris 1558 Escort
Tony Algieri 1558 Cortina - #
Barris Swan 997 Anglia
Malcolm Hague 1275 Mini Cooper S
James Howden 998 Hillman Imp
John Hipkiss 999 Riley Elf
Bob Fox 1275 Mini Cooper S - #
Chris Inch 1293 Mini Cooper S
Michael Kearon 1293 Mini Cooper S
Mike Harding 1293 Mini Cooper S
Willie Dick 1300 BMC Mini
Hugh Denton 1293 Mini Cooper S - #
Mike Evans 1293 Mini Cooper S
Mac Ross 1293 Mini Cooper S
Brian Chatfield 1274 Mini Cooper S
Geoff Wood 999 Mini Cooper S
Gideon Lloyd 970 Mini Cooper S
David Millington 850 BMC Mini - #
Nick Cole 998 BMC Mini
R.J. Jones 970 BMC Mini
John Chappel 999 BMC Mini - #

20/09/69 (plus those marked # above)

Mick Hill 3800 Ford/Jaguar Anglia
Stuart Turner 1860 Anglia
Graham Birrell 1858 Escort
Geoff Pollitt 1650 Anglia
Tony Sugden 1594 Escort
G. Williams 1650 Anglia
Gerry Marshall 2315 Viva
Brian Robinson 1558 Cortina
Robin Farquhar 1293 Mini Cooper S
Peter Hawthorne 1293 Mini Cooper S
Ian McDonald 1293 Mini Cooper S
Anthony Pearce 1293 Mini Cooper S
Mike Darrieulat 999 Mini MG Gnat
James Howden 998 Singer Chamois
Paul Hartley 997 Anglia
George Wills 848 Mini
David Edge 850 Randall Mini
Ginger Marshall 846 M&F Mini
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Old 9 Feb 2009, 10:59 (Ref:2391583)   #24
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From a purely selfish point of view, the 'proper' Saloons don't much interest me. Its the hybrids that surely are of more interest, when the Spec Saloons started to be based on 'real' racing cars.
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Old 9 Feb 2009, 11:36 (Ref:2391611)   #25
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allenbrown should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridallenbrown should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
From a purely selfish point of view, I would agree.
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Old 9 Feb 2009, 11:53 (Ref:2391626)   #26
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No surprise there though, chaps. We have to start somewhere though, and was there not an evolutionary process?

My first exposure to the early cars was at the St John Horsfall meeting at Silverstone in 1966. The Radio London Trophy 10 lap race for saloon cars included the Runham's 3.9 Mk11 Jaguars, 'Doc' M's 4.7V8 Cortina, and Phil De Banks 1650cc Anglia. The following year, I saw Mike(?) Bennion's 4.7V8 Morris Minor, and Tarrant's 4.6 V8 Chevy Austin A40. Later still, we had the Mick Hill V8 Capris, John Pope's Aston V8 engined Vauxhall Magnum, Bill Cox's V8 Capri and I even remember a Sunbeam H120 with a V8 (Chryler?) lump. Surely this is where it all started? Is this not where we should start?

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Old 9 Feb 2009, 12:21 (Ref:2391641)   #27
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For me the the Special Saloons category has to with the re-engined cars like Mick Hill's Jaguar engined Anglia and those mentioned by JT.

They are the fore runners of the Skodas & VWs without which the move to more specialised racing cars as the basis for the projects would never have happened.

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Old 9 Feb 2009, 12:33 (Ref:2391650)   #28
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For me the the Special Saloons category has to with the re-engined cars like Mick Hill's Jaguar engined Anglia and those mentioned by JT.

They are the fore runners of the Skodas & VWs without which the move to more specialised racing cars as the basis for the projects would never have happened.

Hear! Hear!
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Old 9 Feb 2009, 13:03 (Ref:2391675)   #29
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Im afraid i would prefer to start at the begining a sits the drivers and teh cars that roll the concept forward afater a few years from steel sheel no arches to lighet panels wide wheels go faster motors into semi spaceframes onto the superloons etc
Darwin rules should apply to the evololution of the formula to get a super loon we need to see who went to that formula and why and what cars started as special saloons then get rebuilt into bigger better cars and why

I like the idea of seeing the Doc Cortina in its crude form from the 1960`s start the ball rolling into modified saloon cars with big motors and grow into F1 2 5000 based cars why start in the middle of evolution? i know we will keep dipping back in time on certain cars or drivers
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Old 11 Feb 2009, 12:37 (Ref:2395395)   #30
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Right, here we go:-

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=112873

Taken from many threads, so don't expect too much continuity. I've not included the Minis and Imps at this stage. I've also done very little editing. I've probably left out some posts that should be in and included some that should be out, but hey ho; you have to make allowance for my ignorance. Hope that you can work with it.

This is the longest time I've spent on building a thread since the early days of the archive, so I now claim a couple of weeks rest before I get onto the later cars. I hope that Allen, Dan etc will allow me this respite!
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