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Old 13 Nov 2013, 19:54 (Ref:3330992)   #16
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A fair point. There is plenty coming up, but even if the developers fail to deliver somehow, I'm told the game is built to be very mod-friendly. I know there are addons available already, and I am confident that the modding community will be able to do some excellent things in the future (though I am most looking forward to Kunos' laser-scanned Spa).
Even if you take them at their word they are only promising 8 real-life track locations (with variations) and the odd drag strip and hillclimb as additional content.

This compares poorly with other landmark sims (think GPL, GTR2, Nascar 2003). Given that they have been hyping AC for two years they have had the time - but perhaps not the money or backing to get in finished.

In the absence of official content the chances are that you will have the same issue as Rfactor 2 - lots of unofficial content of which 95% is terrible.
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Old 15 Nov 2013, 14:42 (Ref:3331778)   #17
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The way gamers have been manipulated by companies in the last few years in car sim gaming has left an awful lot of us very distrustful of all of them sadly.

You had the whole PCARS thing, where you are basically beta testing a game for 2 years that will eventually be released on a console, and they got very aggressive and nasty with a hell of a lot of people who didn't like it. Hence that has basically disappeared from whence it came, despite being all over a few sim sites who rolled over and let them use their sites to the neglect of most other titles. VR being the main one.

AC and RF2 have basically been very underfunded almost Alpha releases, with little content, over complicated and stupid update methods that have left a lot of us feeling disinterested and rather weary.

RF still plays better than all of them, and Iracing makes everything else look amateur, unprofessional and really rather pathetic, but you have to pay through the nose.

But, most do as it is by far the best place to race relatively easily, without wrecking cretins and without having to join jumped up, rule happy leagues that only run mods they like instead of what you might want to race.
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 14:30 (Ref:3335682)   #18
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But rF is terrible, and iRacing is let down by the physics, tyres and price.
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Old 23 Nov 2013, 16:18 (Ref:3335712)   #19
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I played iRacing for a bit. I might still be playing if I hadn't had some major internet connection issues here - now resolved, but I haven't felt like re-activating my membership. I know some don't mind, and it was fun a lot of fun sometimes, but I am not thrilled by the prospect of more MX-5 and Street Stock races on the same 4 or 5 tracks. I'd have liked to try out the big touring car championship (the one that used the Kias, if I recall correctly?) - but it would have been an extra 100 of additional content just to have all the right stuff. This isn't the place for a debate about the iRacing pricing structure etc etc, but with Assetto Corsa I have already regularly used more of the available cars and tracks than I did with iRacing. Additionally, three new cars arrived yesterday (with a couple of extra tracks, too) at no extra cost.

I'll agree that iRacing is miles ahead of the competition when it comes to the organisation side - all the integrated leagues and points systems, hourly races, and so on are very slick and nicely done. I even liked the safety rating system, though it doesn't please everyone (and could do with some kind of magic 'whose-fault-was-it-really' code). It looked good and it felt good, but so do a lot of things.

Again, time will tell how AC does in terms of support and longevity, but for now I'm pretty happy with what it is and what it does, and for the price of a few months of iRacing (or 20 less than rFactor 2) I think it's a pretty good buy.

Edit - in terms of the update system, can't speak for rFactor but yesterday's AC content update happened automatically via Steam in the background, and I didn't notice until I went to start the game
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If you think rf is terrible then you eally are in a rather small minority I am afraid.

It might look a bit poor these days, but for ease of play and mods it is by far the best cheap game.

IR beats everything but frankly who wants to pay 2 or 300 quid a year for a game, pathetic
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Old 25 Nov 2013, 14:15 (Ref:3336538)   #21
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Maybe I am in a minority. But I've not driven a decent mod in rFactor yet, and I've tried lots that have been recommended to me. The trouble is, the underlying engine is useless, combined with the modders using nonsense numbers -> rubbish in + terrible physics engine = gibberish out.

iRacing's fundamental flaw is the tyres and physics, which is a left over of Dave Kaemmer's 1980s approach to tyre modelling. iR might have some good aspects, but the handling is not one of them. I'm not fooled by them paying 'professional' American drivers to pretend it's good either.

I've heard good things about rF2, but I haven't tried them.
The only sims worth bothering with are Live for Speed, netKar and Assetto Corsa. None of them are perfect either, but a whole lot closer to reality than the others.
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Old 28 Nov 2013, 09:11 (Ref:3337696)   #22
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Its odd that you praise the tyre model in LFS and criticise that in Iracing as the approach of Kaemmer and Scawen is essentially the same. It would be interesting to hear what you think is wrong in Kaemmer's approach. N2003 and Iracing have nothing in common with the work he was doing in the 80s.

I don't buy a lot of the Iracing / Rfactor hype but these seem to be the only sims that professional race teams actually use for meaningful training. I agree that netKar is very impressive but noone plays it for some reason!
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Old 8 Dec 2013, 21:56 (Ref:3341751)   #23
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I think Iracing is great, but it is expensive and let down a little by it's physics. Tristan, you should give Iracing another go as the physics have improved a lot. I think the original netkar still has the edge over Iracing in the handling (and AC is another level up), but Iracing makes it back by having laser scanned tracks and the standard of racing second to none. I'd like to drive in the wet though.

LFS is terribly dated. For me it has only 2 redeeming features - drifting and the fact that a lot of people still play it. However, I would take that all back if they gave us a laser scanned Rockingham.
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Old 25 Apr 2014, 16:43 (Ref:3398180)   #24
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I don't know why (must have been bored), but after reading what andrewc said in the Project C.A.R.S thread I started, I thought I'd give this a try and handed over the cash. I appreciate that it's 'early access' and all that, but I'm a little underwhelmed. The physics feels pretty good (although it took me an age to set my wheel and pedals), but because I have an older graphics card, I've had to use the DX10 tweak without which I couldn't drive it at all. Now the scenery is total garbage and the cardboard cut-out trees obliterate half the track at the old Monza.

Maybe it looks fantastic on a newer machine, but if some fix isn't found for my graphics card to work properly with it, it's going to be money down the drain for me......
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Old 25 Apr 2014, 16:47 (Ref:3398184)   #25
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Oh and one other thing, why can't I see the Lotus 98T?
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Old 25 Apr 2014, 18:50 (Ref:3398231)   #26
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The 98T hasn't been added yet. There aren't many cars left from the official list (at least, the original list, which seems to expand occasionally with new licenses) left to add, so it'll be along fairly soon I'd guess.

Also (and with all due respect) - the minimum and recommended hardware and software specs are very readily available, so I'd suggest that if you buy a game without a system to match them then you can expect to be underwhelmed, at least a bit...
I don't have a spaceship of a PC either, but I have found good settings to get it running smoothly and without turning too much graphics down, or having to settle for 3 other cars on track.
I'd recommend a visit to the official forums if you haven't already - there may well be some info there that can help you run the game better, and if not it's a good place to ask.

Incidentally, when I saw this thread was revived, I assumed it was to do with the latest announcement - multiplayer support to be added this coming Friday, May 2nd. For me, that's what will make or break the game.
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The strange thing Bill is that my system runs it fine - I easily make the minimum requirements - apart from my card being incapable of running DX11. I had a race with 14 other Lotus 49's with no appreciable performance or framerate hit. I don't really understand why they design a game which isn't satisfactorily backwards-compatible....

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And it's clear from their FAQs that they have no intention of trying to make it DX9/DX10 compatible.
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I would guess that by excluding anything other than dx11 they can do away with having to code paths for XP and thus DX9. Probably not the answer you were looking for, but a lot of people seem to have success running with nvidia 760 and 770s. I'm actually selling my hd7970 if anyone is interested...?
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Well I'm no longer a regular sim racer, I just wanted something to keep me interested until Project CARS, but I guess I'll need a decent upgrade to run that anyway.
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