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Old 21 Nov 2016, 21:26 (Ref:3690039)   #121
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Here in Uruguay, ESPN airs IndyCar and MotoGP, and Fox Sports 3 (former Speed Channel) airs F1 (partial schedule, the rest is on an F1 premium channel), WRC, WRX, WTCC, WEC, Nascar, IMSA, WSBK and DTM. Of course, some of those clash, so you get to see just one of them live.

I can't complain about that - except that I don have ESPN3, so I can't watch most IndyCar races, but that's my provider's fault. Every TV provider has Fox and ESPN. They have on-demand service, but I can log to ESPn Play, and Fox Sports Play is very limited.

In some countries, not all TV providers have all channels. France, Italy and Australia are examples. Plus there are too many countries with local issues.

That's why big networks like ESPN, Fox and Eurosport make it easier to get major sports around the world. And that's why over-the-top services like Netflix are easier to get.

But there's nichťs that are often ignored, like non-F1 motorsports. I think that Motorsport Network could fill that nichť.
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Old 22 Nov 2016, 08:17 (Ref:3690142)   #122
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I'm not so sure - my son has found lot of stuff on youtube - because that's where he looks for stuff rather than in tv schedules. I'm sure the same is true of many other members of the 'yoof' audience. Online presence and in particular youtube is important now (and maybe moreso than being on some obscure tv channel in the middle of the night).
Exactly. This is an important point that gets missed by the older generation - including Radio Le Mans when they discuss streaming. Streaming is now the way the younger generation view the most content.

Streaming also has schedules (like TV), so you can find what you want. Many of the services also give suggestions - YouTube for example. I recently watched a replay of the 2016 N24 race - the whole thing! It was all on YouTube, officially uploaded. And after the race, it had suggestions "Do you want to watch the 2016 IMSA Laguna Seca race?" Damn right I do!

I don't think older generations are fully understand how streaming works, the advances in recent years, and the massive shift towards it for younger generations.

You can watch the full Ring 24 hours live on YouTube in HD. Or you can stay up till 3am and get 30 minute highlights on BT Sport 6.
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Everyone knows how streaming works mate.

we all do it regardless of age. I do it for some things and do it dodgily for film and tv.

But it is a big stretch to try and convince the older generation to pay to watch things on a device other than tv. I work with two guys in their 60's who watch most football and new films and tv on chipped digiboxes so they know what it's all about.

It's a bit like newspapers, for the older generation reading a paper is something tangible, like buying a CD. There is always going to be a generational gap for these new technologies. But offer them a way to watch it for nothing and they will quickly learn.

I have only downloaded music once in my life, I hate it, and as a result have stopped listening to as much music as I once did, no record shop in town, and I don't listen to radio as much.

TV wise I stream everything, I don't own a tv, so it's the only way I can watch.

But for some, paying someone to host a website seems expensive when we are conditioned to paying for SKY or BBC services which seem to offer more but in reality don't.

Plus when you add it into those costs it starts to look expensive on top of broadband, tv subs line rental etc.

Streaming for me is an alternative not a replacement for tv.
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The danger of going streaming-only is losing casual fans. But that's more dangerous for major sports like football than for minor sports that already have few casual fans.
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Everyone knows how streaming works mate.
Evidently not, since it keeps being said that you have to go looking for it. Only in the sense that you have to look for TV Channels. If you use legitimate streaming methods, then you don't have to go looking for it in some odd little corner of the internet.

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But it is a big stretch to try and convince the older generation to pay to watch things on a device other than tv.
We're not talking about the older generation. The older generation are already watching. They were engaged in the sports years ago, and continue to be, whether it through legitimate streams, dodgy streams, or TV. Motorsports problem has never been the core audience, but rather trying to gain new fans.

I have 2 kids, one a teenager and one younger. Neither watch TV. Both streaming only. They cannot even stumble over F1 because F1 refuses to engage in streaming, thus missing out on the younger market. But they have stumbled over other motorsports through YouTubes suggestions. They've also found their own tastes of games and music through this. Whether the older generation want to admit it or not - streaming IS the way forward and it IS how younger generations are connecting with media and sports now.

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But for some, paying someone to host a website seems expensive when we are conditioned to paying for SKY or BBC services which seem to offer more but in reality don't.
You said it yourself, it's just conditioning. We'll pay £800 a year for Sky and all the other various channels that go with it. But we won't pay £500 for the same things to be delivered to our screens at home, but without all the extra fluff that Sky adds to justify the price? Streaming might seem expensive, but the figures don't lie- it really isn't. The one thing that could change those figures round and make TV a better deal is you watch a LOT of sport, such as football, tennis, cricket etc.

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This original topic was on MotorsTV, and I was thinking about this last night. MotorsTV has now been purchased. Why is this a bad thing? MotorsTV was struggling, we all know that. For years (maybe even decades now), the image and sound quality has been poor, the program quality has been poor and generally the channel was always in a poor state. But we accepted it and loved it for what it was because we're motorsport fans, and so are they and they were just trying to bring us motorsport.

Now it's been purchased, and I think it's important to look at who is doing it. Zak Brown is going to end up leading McLaren, he runs United Autosports, raced in lots of series for decades and obviously owns Autosport magazine. How can we NOT say this guy is a motorsport fan? Isn't this what we want? People who are actual fans of the sport, but with money, to buy and operate the things we want, to a higher standard? He's going to take MotorsTV from an obscure channel on Sky, to a proper stand alone site that'll engage with new generations...and we're complaining?

And not only that, the people who are complaining openly admit they use dodgy streams anyway. So it doesn't matter if it's on Sky, Virgin, the internet, or owned by Zak Brown, Donald Trump or that bloke down the road with the funny nose - the people using dodgy streams will continue to use dodgy streams and see no real difference.
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