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Old 14 Oct 2016, 15:46 (Ref:3680020)   #16
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Still read it on the website and in digital format as it still a very reputable source
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Old 14 Oct 2016, 16:11 (Ref:3680026)   #17
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I too am a long standing Autosport (and back in the day Motoring News, even Motorcycle News) reader. I still have my Autosport magazine subscription (which sometimes arrives on Thursday) but I really continue this out of habit rather than any other reason.
Obviously being subscribed to the print version also gives me full access to the website too, so because of that there is rarely any real news for me when the magazine arrives. I do keep telling myself to look into the costs of a website only subscription, but never seem to get around to doing so...
I moved to the the Autosport web subscription and I think it is a fiver per month.
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Old 14 Oct 2016, 16:14 (Ref:3680028)   #18
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I moved to the the Autosport web subscription and I think it is a fiver per month.
Thanks for the info. That should save me a few bob and save me from the stupid frustration when it doesn't arrive on a Thursday, even though I may not pick it up to read until Monday, and then discover that there's nothing in there that I didn't already know about!
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Old 14 Oct 2016, 16:18 (Ref:3680029)   #19
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I don't buy any print magazines anymore, other than one offs if I am staying away somewhere and want something to read.

Price is the main reason, decent mags are now a fiver even 6 quid and that is far too much for me in all honesty when you consider how much other magazines that are popular cost, womens magazines are often far cheaper for example, men and cars are an easy cost target. Same as gaming and the like

Don't how MN stays afloat to be honest it is garbage now, at least MCN has some decent stuff in it still and massive classifieds to justify the cost, plus a more loyal audience, even if it is still a comic at times and their obsession with tabloid crap baffles me.

MN used to be awesome, I bought it every week for a decade until I worked there and stopped buying it soon after I left as from the inside I got a bad insight. They stopped doing decent in depth reporting and went to news which is fair enough but then you found out how hard news was to get hold of that was worth a damn. And it was very pro circuit racing when I stopped read, which was not their big fanbase when I started to read it, it was a rally paper and not so much focus on F1 and bigger stuff. They have tried to change, but it's just not a worthy thing surely now.

Autosport has stayed pretty much the same, they cover most things in some depth, but its just full of pictures, little depth (other than F1 which I couldn't care less about these days) and is also covered in their own F1 magazine. they just know it HAS to be in there or no-one will buy it.

So nothing caters for my palette. Some road cars mags do, CCC used to be awesome til went down the pan when they went chasing the track day crowd and ignored what made them massive as IPC sold them down the river to focus on manufacturer based mags like Land Rover and Mini, easy readership.
Agreed on MN, I wonder if the new owner will even keep it going in the long term an any pragmatic business would just see it as repeating cost and effort from what Autosport is doing, unless as you say they position it back to more grass roots/rally, etc but proably not enough readership for that.

Also important to remember that motorsport.com is a digital platform so that is where there focus lies. Perhaps an option they may consider is to make F1 Racing an annual ediition covering the season woth all the stats and imagery these mags like nowadays and maybe even make Autosport monthly not weekly.

I now subscribe ro calssic car weekly and classic car buyer - every edition is like a trip down memory lane for me!
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Old 14 Oct 2016, 18:48 (Ref:3680066)   #20
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I have not received Autosport this week, and local shops have no copies.
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Old 15 Oct 2016, 06:37 (Ref:3680167)   #21
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I have not received Autosport this week, and local shops have no copies.
Off to a good start then! One thing I noticed from my classic car buyer sub is that although it goes on sale in shops on Wednesday, subscribers get priority and receive it on Tuesday.
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Old 16 Oct 2016, 11:53 (Ref:3680671)   #22
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Agreed on MN, I wonder if the new owner will even keep it going in the long term an any pragmatic business would just see it as repeating cost and effort from what Autosport is doing, unless as you say they position it back to more grass roots/rally, etc but proably not enough readership for that.
You have to fear that MN is possibly not needed. There simply isn't the readership for it. There isn't even a dedicated monthly rally magazine anymore (not counting Pacenotes) as there isn't the interest. Same as the rally annuals no longer produced; Rallycourse, and the Martin Holmes Pirelli Yearly.
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Old 17 Oct 2016, 07:22 (Ref:3680846)   #23
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Autosport certainly didn't stay 'pretty much the same ' during the time I read it - 1970 to 2005. From the early 90s it slid down the pan until it ended up as a picture heavy F1 fanzine with bite size factoid editorial content . Club racing coverage was pushed to the back pages and ever more marginalised - how Marcus Pye sticks it I really don't know.F1 dominates year round- when was there a cover without some banner headline publicising another non story?

But it isn't Autosport's fault - it's the public to blame . For nearly all of them motorsport is F1 and nothing else. And like most magazines- with the honourable exception of Motor Sport- they are designed for people with the attention span of an ant . As Simon Taylor said re his excellent 'lunch with ' series the only thing better than a 1000 word article for most editors is now a 750 word one ...
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Old 17 Oct 2016, 08:30 (Ref:3680851)   #24
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It truly is a shame

I can remember reading 2 page F300 resports in MN and 4 page WRC reports where almost every stage was covered in some detail.

I don't think it is simply readers, it is publishers and editors too, design has come into magazines far more than it should have done and that style is being led by colleges, teachers etc.

I would buy a magazine for 3 quid a week that had 2 page F3 reports full of text and 4 page WRC reports with 2 pics in.

Wouldn't you? So why has it changed? It cant just be the way people are, it is led by all sorts of things!!
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Old 17 Oct 2016, 10:48 (Ref:3680870)   #25
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Never judge a book by it's cover. The F1 cover is to attract more punters and it usually has plenty of non-F1 features in there for the die hards
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Old 17 Oct 2016, 11:28 (Ref:3680880)   #26
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You have to fear that MN is possibly not needed. There simply isn't the readership for it. There isn't even a dedicated monthly rally magazine anymore (not counting Pacenotes) as there isn't the interest. Same as the rally annuals no longer produced; Rallycourse, and the Martin Holmes Pirelli Yearly.
Where they could be a way of at least reporting results would be if (under which ever title they see fits best) they collated all the results sheets from MST/TSL, etc from the club events so at least the results from a race weekend were in presented in once palce with entry lists, grid, race results and champ positions were altogether.
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They used to do results, I know this because I used to have to type them in, sporting scene was an arduous task of compiling an entire page of stock car, autograss, trials etc, took hours! And woe betide if you got a surname wrong, phone call that week for sure!
What was a waste of time were letters pages, tv guides, previews. All took two pages and no one bloody read them! In fact I wrote quite a few letters myself! lol

It isn't very editorial, hard to read and looks crap, but it is fairly important.
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It truly is a shame

I can remember reading 2 page F300 resports in MN and 4 page WRC reports where almost every stage was covered in some detail.

I don't think it is simply readers, it is publishers and editors too, design has come into magazines far more than it should have done and that style is being led by colleges, teachers etc.

I would buy a magazine for 3 quid a week that had 2 page F3 reports full of text and 4 page WRC reports with 2 pics in.

Wouldn't you? So why has it changed? It cant just be the way people are, it is led by all sorts of things!!
Having worked on some media partnerships with some of the big publishing houses, for something like motor racing and for even a weekly publication a lot of serious fans (from an overall shrinking readership) already know the results, the talking points and reaction to a race weekend on Sunday evening after the race, so by the time a publication comes out on Wed/Thurs it is old news. This in turn has led them to become more feature based which in turn is not so 'time sensitive' when it goes out.

The same is happening with car mags, sites like Motor 1 (part of motorsport.com) cover new car news, tests everyday in a quick easy to digest format and carbuyer covers the cars with short video road tests so the viewers doesn't need to read 10 pages of a road test to get a veiw on a car.

I am an old dinosaur who likes to have a magazine or paper to read and I don't really want to squint at it on my tablet, but I do get pretty much all my news in this format, but I wouldn't want to read a full magazine like this yet.
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They used to do results, I know this because I used to have to type them in, sporting scene was an arduous task of compiling an entire page of stock car, autograss, trials etc, took hours! And woe betide if you got a surname wrong, phone call that week for sure!
What was a waste of time were letters pages, tv guides, previews. All took two pages and no one bloody read them! In fact I wrote quite a few letters myself! lol

It isn't very editorial, hard to read and looks crap, but it is fairly important.
Yep, looks like it was hard work, nowadays MST, etc could just upload all their pdf results to a central club motorsport database at Autosport/MNews or whatever where they could be accessed from say Monday morning. All this info is out there already, but scattered around various timing and club websites, but easy to centralise, you would think.
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In my day it was just starting to come in via email, but some of it was over the bloody phone! Not much phone I can tell you!
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