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Maybe - now that Horner is married to Geri - he can focus more on the problems at Red Bull?
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Autosport's Dieter Rencken, says Red Bull's treat to quit should be taken seriously.
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All you have to do is look at RBR's performance in the constructor championship since they started to tell the story of why the are acting as they are...
2005 7th 2006 7th 2007 5th 2008 7th 2009 2nd 2010 1st 2011 1st 2012 1st 2013 1st 2014 2nd 2015 4th (so far) Other than 2008 minor blip (still scored more points than the previous year), the have improve year after year until 2014. What they have learned from this is that if you invest, you improve and eventually will win. Now as we know that is not true. They are upset that (minus Newey) they are roughly the same (RBR not Renault) as those years that they dominated. They might be getting the short end of the stick right now, but it could have easily been someone else in their position and they could have been on top like Mercedes is today. They have unrealistic expectations given how the rules are setup (which they walked into with open eyes). If they are unhappy, then step up with a plan that has consensus and then bring that to FIA or whoever. Mercedes says they are open to changes. I would think RBR and Renault would be working with them and others to create a plan vs. public moaning. The public really can do nothing but either agree with them, or disagree, but we (public) can't fix this. I get the impression they want someone else to do the hard work of fixing this. Richard |
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Autosport and others are reporting that Aston Martin may be in discussions with Red Bull about a possible investment in the team. This would be allied with a potential supply of Mercedes PSUs as early as 2016, which would allow RBR to find a build a case for breaking their contract with Renault.
Two of the directors now at Aston Martin were believed to be responsible for the tie up of RBR to Infiniti whilst they worked for Nissan, so they already have a good relationship with the team at Brackley. From Renault's point of view, and possibly Red Bull's, this could be fortuitous as it would give them the possibility of either withdrawing from F1 entirely or buying one of the existing teams. From Red Bull's side, they could consider selling off Toro Rosso to Renault which means that they then wouldn't need to go down the Lotus route. Of course, this could well be pure speculation on the part of some of the media who needed to fill space, and nothing will come of it. Or is it? |
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It seems more likely that Renault will go the Lotus route but it is just pure speculation at the moment.
I would have thought that Aston Martin would not have the resources for a significant F1 program in terms of cost given that it is a niche car manufacturer (Although we recently have had a Russian car maker that sold very few cars in F1). I wonder how this will effect Aston's GT program? |
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The way I read that is Aston Martin's position would be no different to that of Infiniti now. Just a sponsorship exercise and with their connections are able to facilitate a Mercedes engine deal. It's not like Aston have to build anything themselves, so they're not committing to major F1 program per se.
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I cannot imagine for a second that Merc would want to give their engine to Red Bull.
If it does happen, would Toro Rosso get Merc engines too? |
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Cold water is flowing from Mercedes on any possible deal with RB.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/me...ed-bull-tie-up |
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the RB brand/tv channel/magazine/social media/x-games/space flight promoting/self aggrandizing merc engine deal would reach several*several million more eyes than an merc running their own f1 team ever could.
for better or worse RB as a brand is bigger now to todays generation than Ferrari/magnum p.i. ever was for us as kids. we really need to stop looking at RB's 30 plus years involved with every cool sport on the planet as something to be so easily dismissed. if the merc board doesnt like this idea then as an old guy im selling my shares in them tomorrow. |
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BMW are doing electric cars now, I think a BMW power unit in a Red Bull F1 car would be a good marketing fit.
There has been a bit written on the possible Audi (VW) tie up with Red Bull for a F1 entry. |
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As long as RBR are playing 'Pop Goes The Renault' each race, 4th is the best they can get.
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What is stopping Renault from purchasing Tyrrell.. oops MercedesGP... and switching to the Renault engine...
Mercedes becomes an engine supplier with 2 WDCs & 2 WCCs under its belt in its own name. Well Tyrrell's name, scratched out & replaced with BAR, Honda, BrawnGP & now Mercedes... Mercedes gets to spend less supplying 5 teams than they do owning one and supplying 4 of them (including their own), while Red Bull can pay for all the aero work and magic that they keep delivering... Mr Hamilton to Red Bull Mercedes, Mr Rosberg to Scuderia Toro Rosso Mercedes? |
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What is wrong with Redbull?
FWIW I think the phrase Williams-Renault back then was more common than Red Bull-Renault is now.
Red Bull is the dominant name for the current one with nothing else getting a look in. More equal back then and, I think, we associate Renault with those cars as much as we do Rothmans or Canon. |
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