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Old 1 Dec 2016, 13:42 (Ref:3692695)   #26
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Try telling that to the local residents and businesses who have been adversely affected over the last 7 years. They are celebrating.

What was wrong with the race of 1000 years?
Well, locals allegedly do suffer when large events are run, so they may well be celebrating and hoping for an end to grand finals etc in the precinct as well so they don't have the disruptions to deal with.

The race of 1000 years was a significant commercial failure, with alleged losses running into 8 figures at the time.
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Old 1 Dec 2016, 18:35 (Ref:3692757)   #27
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Meantime, apparently there is a motor race this weekend..
You wouldn't know it, this big break between races has absolutely killed the hype.
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Old 1 Dec 2016, 23:13 (Ref:3692839)   #28
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You wouldn't know it, this big break between races has absolutely killed the hype.
Agreed - tumbleweeds around Sydney in the lead up to the event and again within SOP today. They have even opened the gates today to try and gain some interest.

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Well, locals allegedly do suffer when large events are run, so they may well be celebrating and hoping for an end to grand finals etc in the precinct as well so they don't have the disruptions to deal with.
Not sure the road closures, tearing up of roads, ripping down of trees, installation of 10km of temporary fencing & concrete walls compare to the staging of a rugby league, AFL or cricket matches inside permanent venues.

Locals can spot the difference

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The race of 1000 years was a significant commercial failure, with alleged losses running into 8 figures at the time.
Commercial failure and losses? Anything that supports this claim?

Approx 150,000 odd spectators were reported to attend in 2000 which compares quite well to the Clipsal numbers.

According to Racerviews.com

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Old 1 Dec 2016, 23:36 (Ref:3692842)   #29
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So anyway.....

Racing starts today. While the championship is probably in the bag only once in the history of the event has a driver who did not complete Saturdays race not make the start on Sunday. That driver - SVG
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Racing starts today. While the championship is probably in the bag only once in the history of the event has a driver who did not complete Saturdays race not make the start on Sunday. That driver - SVG
The odds are stacked against Jamie, BUT if there is any place where you could end up in the wall Saturday and out Sunday, Homebush could be a leading contender.

So I suspect we will see a fairly mature Shane if he isn't at the front end, cruise to get enough points to seal the deal Saturday?
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The odds are stacked against Jamie, BUT if there is any place where you could end up in the wall Saturday and out Sunday, Homebush could be a leading contender.

So I suspect we will see a fairly mature Shane if he isn't at the front end, cruise to get enough points to seal the deal Saturday?
assuming Jamie wins, 5th place on Saturday for SVG is enough
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Old 2 Dec 2016, 01:36 (Ref:3692859)   #32
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Commercial failure and losses? Anything that supports this claim?

Approx 150,000 odd spectators were reported to attend in 2000 which compares quite well to the Clipsal numbers.

According to Racerviews.com
That's about half the size of the Clipsal crowd but compares OK for a one off event. Factor in the air freight costs, team accom costs etc that Clipsal doesn't have along with the sponsorship and corporates that Clipsal has but the 1000 year race didn't have (to the same extent) and it starts to add up.

Reports at the time in local media and directly from inside the organisation were for a circa $10 mill loss - much more than budgeted for. Quite where those could be found 16 years later would be a challenge no doubt.

In the meantime, here in 2016 it's getting rather warm in Western Sydney. Regular news item I've heard in radio news this morning has been that teams are planning to have some drivers in commercial fridges to cool them down with expected internal car temps as high as 70 deg.

There used to be an allowance in the rules to permit removal of the front perspex windows when the stewards declare it hot - if that rule is still there it may well get used this weekend.
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Old 2 Dec 2016, 01:52 (Ref:3692863)   #33
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That's about half the size of the Clipsal crowd but compares OK for a one off event. Factor in the air freight costs, team accom costs etc that Clipsal doesn't have along with the sponsorship and corporates that Clipsal has but the 1000 year race didn't have (to the same extent) and it starts to add up.
Are you trying to play with history Tourer? There is no way that Clipsal was getting 280,000 - 300,000 crowds in 1999 and 2000. Probably more in the vicinity of 160,000 which is similar to the ALMS event.

So there is an error in your calculations off the bat.

Also were you aware of the deal between Don Panoz and the South Australian government in terms of freight, team expenses etc? Remembering that the ALMS raced across 3 continents in 2000.

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Reports at the time in local media and directly from inside the organisation were for a circa $10 mill loss - much more than budgeted for. Quite where those could be found 16 years later would be a challenge no doubt.
Interesting thoughts, especially considering the other reports that completely contradict this - as per my link provided before.

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How about you guys create a thread or even drag up the old one from 17 years ago.

Your not even in the same state

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Ford nowhere in first practice Volvo on top early and SVG is 4th just behind JDub in 3rd
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How about you guys create a thread or even drag up the old one from 17 years ago.

Your not even in the same state
You got me Peckmeister. I could answer DRT's questions but we'll just keep going round and round.

If he wants to continue that discussion he can go the pm route.

Often get some surprises out of the Homebush weekend - let's see what it dishes up for its last hurrah.
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The race made 8 years, so already it's more successful than some of the others mentioned earlier (though I don't see how you can split the Super Touring Bathursts considering that event was in its 35th year).

It seems like they persevered with the losses for a few years longer than the likes of Canberra to try and make it work, they really did seem to bet alot on this event...

Wasn't there a quote from Mr Cochrane along the lines of "you haven't made it big until you've cracked Sydney"? How does going to Newcastle help that?

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Dwell and bemoan?

Not at all. Surely this is a celebration? The end of one of the more unsuccessful and poorly executed events in Australian motorsport history.

Despite massive claims that were proven to be failures such as the below - the event will disappear with a whimper.
Hard to argue with any of this, given the ultimately quite ridiculous quotes Mr Cochrane made as well..... did they ever get a mainstream international act to perform??

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Well, locals allegedly do suffer when large events are run, so they may well be celebrating and hoping for an end to grand finals etc in the precinct as well so they don't have the disruptions to deal with.
Closing off roads for three days to hold a car race causes far more disruptions than a football game in a dedicated stadium.

I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make there?
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They couldn't find a band to resurrect.
Maybe it would have been fitting for "The Potbelleez" to reform for this weekends concert, given they were the star performers when the Sydney 500 was launched in Martin Place early in 2009

I still remember Matthew White proclaiming "Who here loves the Potbelleez" to be greeted by crickets from the crowd.... all he could come back with was "Well you will after this"
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Closing off roads for three days to hold a car race causes far more disruptions than a football game in a dedicated stadium.

I'm not sure of the point you are trying to make there?
When there are big events on (particularly if there are several at the same time) the whole place can end up being gridlocked. Same thing happens around many other large sports venues.

Not saying that one is more or less bad or that they're all the same, just that local residents suffer plenty of disruption from a wide range of events, of which the V8 race is one.
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Interesting qualifying..

SvG, JW, SMc, CL... arguably the likely championship finishing order

And jeez its hot out here...
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When there are big events on (particularly if there are several at the same time) the whole place can end up being gridlocked. Same thing happens around many other large sports venues.

Not saying that one is more or less bad or that they're all the same, just that local residents suffer plenty of disruption from a wide range of events, of which the V8 race is one.
The main difference being that your example of a grand final provides traffic congestion prior to the start & end of the game, where as the V8 event causes disruption, road closures and issues for businesses & residents across a 2-3 month period.

That's the difference that makes this race so unpopular to locals
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Probably doesn't help that there's really only two ways in and out of the area; Australia Avenue and Hill Rd.

A lot of people live in the area, let alone those operating businesses.
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Looks like the championship won't be decided today..
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Looks like the championship won't be decided today..
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perfectly timed safety car, meanwhile the guy he took out finishes 4 laps down. Maybe a redress is in order
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Congrats to SVG on the championship

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So I suspect we will see a fairly mature Shane if he isn't at the front end, cruise to get enough points to seal the deal Saturday?

Ummmmm, maybe not
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