A wing and a prayer

Marbot · 24 Oct 2005, 08:33 (Ref:1441851)

Max is proposing a radical new rear wing.Will the teams accept,is Max hoping for too muchhttp://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=101950 ? Also here.

grandprixdiary · 24 Oct 2005, 09:08 (Ref:1441883)

Is it April the 1st already ?

Rob

Marbot · 24 Oct 2005, 09:13 (Ref:1441890)

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Originally Posted by grandprixdiary

Is it April the 1st already ?

Rob

No,but we're getting close to Guy Fawkes night.......i have an idea.

Marcel ten Caat · 24 Oct 2005, 09:15 (Ref:1441891)

Next thing is that we get rubber strips around the cars (like on karts) to avoid crashes!

On a more serious note...i hope the teams will reject this proposal. The only good thing in this idea is slick tyres.

**Adam43** · 24 Oct 2005, 09:16 (Ref:1441893)

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Originally Posted by GPD

Is it April the 1st already ?

Bizarrely that was the first thing said when the first wing appeared!

I see the logic behind it, however the trick is how it performs in a corner. In a straight line I can see a nice gap in the dirty air, but when the car has yaw does it stay nice?

What we perhaps need is a flap that is present on the straight, but disappears under braking and cornering (

).

I haven't seen a diagram of the dimensions on this gap yet. How big and what shape is it?

**Adam43** · 24 Oct 2005, 09:18 (Ref:1441894)

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Originally Posted by Stranger

Next thing is that we get rubber strips around the cars (like on karts) to avoid crashes!

Not rubber, but 'bumpers' were suggested a few years ago to reduce the danger of wheel to wheel contact.

Marcel ten Caat · 24 Oct 2005, 09:19 (Ref:1441895)

I knew it was suggested a few years ago...but noone at the FIA officialy came up with it i think?

Marbot · 24 Oct 2005, 09:20 (Ref:1441896)

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Originally Posted by Stranger

Next thing is that we get rubber strips around the cars (like on karts) to avoid crashes!

On a more serious note...i hope the teams will reject this proposal. The only good thing in this idea is slick tyres.

I believe this suggestion has been put forward by 19 of the current 20 F1 drivers.

On a more serious note...i hope the teams give it some consideration,it may be what F1 is looking for.

ASCII Man · 24 Oct 2005, 09:56 (Ref:1441936)

Gee Whillickers, Batman!

**Adam43** · 24 Oct 2005, 10:02 (Ref:1441939)

The rear tyres must seriously effect that.

Thanks for the link. Reminds me of a Enzo I sawa picture of testing at Monza in the sportscar forum: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...hlight=ferrari
(last picture after the ones of the 430)

nopanon · 24 Oct 2005, 10:33 (Ref:1441960)

I think it's definitely worth further investigation. "Artists impression" of a 2D picture of the wake is rather scary though. Don't think it will look that nice in 3D...

The original press release:
http://www.fia.com/mediacentre/Press...241005-01.html

DSM · 24 Oct 2005, 10:50 (Ref:1441982)

My first thought is that if the designer can't spell 'conventional' why should we trust his ability as an aerodynamicist?!

Seriously, wouldn't a plan view of the airflow be more relevant?

Spritle · 24 Oct 2005, 11:02 (Ref:1441996)

The same people that brought us "more overtaking in 2005" are attempting the same in 2007/2008.

Ha!

grandprixdiary · 24 Oct 2005, 11:12 (Ref:1442002)

I can just see the rear wings now with 'Pana onic' or 'Credi uisse' on them.....

Rob

gwyllion · 24 Oct 2005, 11:15 (Ref:1442006)

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Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

Reminds me of a Enzo I sawa picture of testing at Monza in the sportscar forum: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...hlight=ferrari
(last picture after the ones of the 430)

This is the Ferrari FXX, no Enzo: http://www.italiaspeed.com/2005/cars.../fxx/1506.html

**Adam43** · 24 Oct 2005, 11:18 (Ref:1442012)

Thanks

Marbot · 24 Oct 2005, 11:29 (Ref:1442022)

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Originally Posted by grandprixdiary

I can just see the rear wings now with 'Pana onic' or 'Credi uisse' on them.....

Rob

More like 'Pan nic' or 'cre sse'.

At least they have two more end plates to play with.

Pingguest · 24 Oct 2005, 11:42 (Ref:1442028)

Why not reintroducing ground effect? Why does the FIA always want to reinvent the wheel?

Marbot · 24 Oct 2005, 11:45 (Ref:1442030)

I have an idea for ads.

All advertising must be on 'boards' that are vertical and placed at 90 degrees to the direction of travel.More ads=more drag,simple innit.

Marbot · 24 Oct 2005, 11:47 (Ref:1442033)

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Originally Posted by Pingguest

Why not reintroducing ground effect? Why does the FIA always want to reinvent the wheel?

I think you will find that they won't be reinventing the wheel until 2008.But i see your point.

Pingguest · 24 Oct 2005, 11:58 (Ref:1442043)

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Originally Posted by martyn bott

I think you will find that they won't be reinventing the wheel until 2008.But i see your point.

You really think the 2008 regulation will be an improvement? A further regulation and even standardization has nothing to do with F1. What's next? It looks like Mosley really want the Formula 1 to split up.

**Adam43** · 24 Oct 2005, 12:09 (Ref:1442054)

Could we perhaps, for once, discuss the content of the thread - the actual suggestion?

At least there is discussion going on. Perhaps it is radical, but maybe a step in teh right area. Perhaps we won't have standardised, but restrictions similar to that. Or maybe a standard full wing.

But most interestingly - how does that idea work?

Mystery · 24 Oct 2005, 12:09 (Ref:1442055)

I was reading about this this morning and thought it sounded alright in principle (well it would wouldnt it really....) but was worried about how it would look. Now I've seen it I can confirm it looks hilarious. Almost as bad a development as X-wings and the airbox mounted camera-holding wing. Can't race cars just look like race cars anymore???

MikeBz · 24 Oct 2005, 12:28 (Ref:1442077)

Structurally it won't work - it needs some kind of cross-member to tie the two wings together at the top otherwise the downforce from each wing will be trying to bend over the single wing support. That's assuming it does actually create downforce of course...

Mike

ASCII Man · 24 Oct 2005, 12:31 (Ref:1442079)

Carbon fibre doesn't have the flexability of rubber, y'know...

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