Home Mobile Forum News Cookbook FaceBook Us T-Shirts etc.: Europe/Worldwide. eBay Motorsport Links Advertising Live Chat  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Single Seater Racing > Formula One


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 2 Aug 2006, 21:08 (Ref:1671425)   #1
Marbot
Retired
20KPINAL
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,897
Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!
Overtaking and corners/curves/hairpins

An interesting article and diagrams about the tracks influence on the dreaded subject.http://www.crash.net/news_view~cid~1...4864~pid~0.htm
Marbot is offline  
Quote
Old 2 Aug 2006, 21:24 (Ref:1671452)   #2
Rockmunky
Veteran
 
Rockmunky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
England
'artfordshire
Posts: 1,964
Rockmunky should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridRockmunky should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Some crazy ideas there, but i don't really think that circuits should be chopped and changed just for F1, as the circuits often host a whole range of other events through the season.

As i've said before, it's the cars that nheed to be changed, rather than the circuits. Espeically the brakes, they are too good at the moment, and as a result the braking zones are far too short to allow anyone to have a good go at overtaking. Look at the GP2 cars, there's tons of overtaking in that series.
Rockmunky is offline  
__________________
Hah!
Quote
Old 2 Aug 2006, 21:35 (Ref:1671464)   #3
Fish_Flake
Veteran
 
Fish_Flake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Georgia
The Foothills of North Georgia
Posts: 1,456
Fish_Flake should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridFish_Flake should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridFish_Flake should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
No, I can't agree with a word of that. Artificially altering the track is going to do no good, because ten years from now, braking zones are going to be even shorter and entry speeds are going to be even faster, making any ridiculous adjustments like these obsolete again. Besides, it would only work on flat corners, and the last thing F1 needs are more Tilke-Rings.
Fish_Flake is offline  
__________________
"There are some players who have psychologists, sportologists. I smoke."
--golfer Angel Cabrera, when asked how he kept his composure whilst winning the 2007 U.S. Open, beating Tiger Woods by one stroke.
Quote
Old 2 Aug 2006, 21:38 (Ref:1671468)   #4
Dutton
Veteran
 
Dutton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
United Nations
Not Much North of Montana
Posts: 6,754
Dutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
It is an intersting article, though.

However, yes, I would agree, you would think that altering the cars would be the simplest approach.

Apparently, though, this is something of an impossible task.
Dutton is offline  
__________________
"The world is my country, and science is my religion."
- Christian Huygens: 17th century Dutch astronomer.
Quote
Old 2 Aug 2006, 22:14 (Ref:1671502)   #5
Fish_Flake
Veteran
 
Fish_Flake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Georgia
The Foothills of North Georgia
Posts: 1,456
Fish_Flake should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridFish_Flake should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridFish_Flake should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Single wing elements and a ban on chassis-derived aero devices is impossible?
Fish_Flake is offline  
__________________
"There are some players who have psychologists, sportologists. I smoke."
--golfer Angel Cabrera, when asked how he kept his composure whilst winning the 2007 U.S. Open, beating Tiger Woods by one stroke.
Quote
Old 2 Aug 2006, 22:33 (Ref:1671514)   #6
Dutton
Veteran
 
Dutton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
United Nations
Not Much North of Montana
Posts: 6,754
Dutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Oh, I don't mean technically impossible. On the contrary.

It is what makes it so damn frustrating.
Dutton is offline  
__________________
"The world is my country, and science is my religion."
- Christian Huygens: 17th century Dutch astronomer.
Quote
Old 2 Aug 2006, 22:53 (Ref:1671542)   #7
Rockmunky
Veteran
 
Rockmunky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
England
'artfordshire
Posts: 1,964
Rockmunky should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridRockmunky should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
You mean that the teams will always squabble about it, making it practically impossible to get anything done?

Well, atleast we'll be getting real slicks soon...
Rockmunky is offline  
__________________
Hah!
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 00:53 (Ref:1671635)   #8
Marbot
Retired
20KPINAL
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,897
Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockmunky

Well, atleast we'll be getting real slicks soon...
Hopefully combined with less downforce,or at least some means of letting the car behind get closer.

But as Dutton has suggested this is almost politically impossible.The top teams have spent huge sums of money on wind tunnels and they are not going to relinquish that advantage to the likes of Midland and Super Aguri.

Wasn't this thread about track design.Ahh yes,straight going into a hairpin,no good unless it's on a low downforce circuit,and there aren't too many of those about.
Marbot is offline  
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 03:02 (Ref:1671682)   #9
JeremySmith
Race Official
Veteran
 
JeremySmith's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
United Kingdom
Austin Texas
Posts: 11,303
JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!JeremySmith is going for a new world record!
Cut down on the amount of aero devices, wings,winglets, horns...I want to see racing and passing and not in the bloody pits because it makes it the pits.. what the teams have spent on wind tunnels is not our problem..
JeremySmith is offline  
__________________
McLaren Honda F1 2015... Go Jenson Go Fernando...
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 05:23 (Ref:1671740)   #10
Schummy
Subscriber
Veteran
 
Schummy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location:
Somewhere near 2nd Lagrangian point
Posts: 3,136
Schummy has a real shot at the podium!Schummy has a real shot at the podium!Schummy has a real shot at the podium!Schummy has a real shot at the podium!Schummy has a real shot at the podium!
Or (in a sort of homage to thread starter) schedule races in rainy locations (monsoon seasons, tropical jungles, ...) . If necessary, suspend races if conditions are unaceptably dry. Why not snowy races? I am sure bridgestone can make snow tyres for F1

If teams want tons of downforce, so be it, let's see how they manage to run in Bangladesh within a monsoon rain!
Schummy is offline  
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 05:34 (Ref:1671745)   #11
Dutton
Veteran
 
Dutton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
United Nations
Not Much North of Montana
Posts: 6,754
Dutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridDutton should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
I've often wished that they would organise the season according to rainy seasons. This would be particularly good in years with a tyre monopoly.

I remember Ferrari testing one day when a little bit of snow fell. Also, there was some promotional thing back in the day when Mika took Erja out for a spin somewhere in Finland in full blown snow conditions. Didn't it snow at the Swedish GP in '78? Obviously, the snow thing is not viable, but is cool, . The rain one, though, to my mind, is perfectly viable. Regarding the aerodynamics/downforce thing...I really don't understand why the FIA can't just force something through under "safety".

Anyway, I guess getting back on topic wouldn't hurt!

The problem is that the one system that can aid ovetaking in terms of tracks design (tight hairpin to straight to tight hairpin) is also jsut about the most tedious. It is a bit of a double edged sword.

In general I would much rather watch a race with no overtaking but a wonderful track than a pretty dull track with a lot of overtaking. Perhaps the best solution is a meld of two? Have it so each track has one specifically designed tight hairpin-straight-hairpin style section included, but the rest of the track being solely dedicated to being fantastic irrespective of its overtaking potential.

Last edited by Dutton; 3 Aug 2006 at 05:42.
Dutton is offline  
__________________
"The world is my country, and science is my religion."
- Christian Huygens: 17th century Dutch astronomer.
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 10:52 (Ref:1671937)   #12
Pingguest
Veteran
 
Pingguest's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Netherlands
Haarlem, The Netherlands
Posts: 3,151
Pingguest should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockmunky
Well, atleast we'll be getting real slicks soon...
I'm not that sure on this: http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=86518
Pingguest is offline  
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 10:59 (Ref:1671941)   #13
Raglanparade
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Australia
Posts: 2,382
Raglanparade should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Just make the brake discs and pads half the size
Raglanparade is offline  
__________________
... without motorsport, what is sport?
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 11:57 (Ref:1672002)   #14
Marbot
Retired
20KPINAL
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
United Kingdom
Posts: 22,897
Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!Marbot is going for a new lap record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pingguest

I would imagine that Bridgestone can introduce any type of tyre they like so long as it does what it's supposed to do.No need to keep the grooves if you have a control tyre.

GP2 originally had grooves,but now Bridgestone have put them on slicks.Much better,both from a driving point of view and aesthetically as well.
Marbot is offline  
Quote
Old 3 Aug 2006, 17:27 (Ref:1672273)   #15
goodhorsehymn
Racer
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 146
goodhorsehymn should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Interesting article, thanks
goodhorsehymn is offline  
Quote
Reply

Bookmarks




Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
to your corners slicktoast Sportscar & GT Racing 5 9 Nov 2000 14:31


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT. The time now is 23:42.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2016 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.