IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017 - Page 57

jasonjessica09 · 17 Aug 2015, 15:01 (Ref:3566476)

Does anybody else share my views that IMSA/WTSC looks to be very exciting in 2016 with GT3 coming in and GTLM getting a performance boost. Prototypes will be an afterthought. GTLM and GTD will be the thing to watch.

YZFrider · 17 Aug 2015, 15:10 (Ref:3566478)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Does anybody else share my views that IMSA/WTSC looks to be very exciting in 2016 with GT3 coming in and GTLM getting a performance boost. Prototypes will be an afterthought. GTLM and GTD will be the thing to watch.

The question becomes, will the TV cameras air more GT time?

Ephaeton · 17 Aug 2015, 16:01 (Ref:3566490)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Does anybody else share my views that IMSA/WTSC looks to be very exciting in 2016 with GT3 coming in and GTLM getting a performance boost. Prototypes will be an afterthought. GTLM and GTD will be the thing to watch.

Your roundabout fifty posts spread across a dozen threads saying you're very excited about GTLM in TUSCC haven't generated enough feedback yet for you to answer that question?

**joeb** · 17 Aug 2015, 17:37 (Ref:3566502)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Does anybody else share my views that IMSA/WTSC looks to be very exciting in 2016 with GT3 coming in and GTLM getting a performance boost. Prototypes will be an afterthought. GTLM and GTD will be the thing to watch.

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Originally Posted by Ephaeton

Your roundabout fifty posts spread across a dozen threads saying you're very excited about GTLM in TUSCC haven't generated enough feedback yet for you to answer that question?

We'll have to see who actually shows up past Sebring in GT3, but on a whole yes I think the GT classes will be spectacular.

Rcz · 17 Aug 2015, 19:57 (Ref:3566524)

I would like to see more split races. Some GT only races would be great because while the PWC is great, I like my GT races to be a little longer.

**joeb** · 18 Aug 2015, 01:36 (Ref:3566571)

Been Keating had some great visuals on twitter right now about bop in the gtd class

https://twitter.com/keatingcarguy/st...92252228759552

https://twitter.com/keatingcarguy/st...92755717242880

Of course weight and restrictor size are only pay off the equation, displacement matters, so does ride height and wing adjustments. But still, the series doesn't look too want viper to win again....

Lagunaseca_4life · 18 Aug 2015, 01:57 (Ref:3566576)

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Originally Posted by jasonjessica09

Does anybody else share my views that IMSA/WTSC looks to be very exciting in 2016 with GT3 coming in and GTLM getting a performance boost. Prototypes will be an afterthought. GTLM and GTD will be the thing to watch.

Disappointed Falken will be gone,excited ford will come in,not sure if porsche will stay in Imsa or wec.otherwise Mehh.......Imsa will manipulate the season and champioship with Aop,still not sure if Imsa will allow wec type preformance or Aop the crap out of them.

BullMan · 18 Aug 2015, 02:09 (Ref:3566577)

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Originally Posted by joeb

Been Keating had some great visuals on twitter right now about bop in the gtd class

https://twitter.com/keatingcarguy/st...92252228759552

https://twitter.com/keatingcarguy/st...92755717242880

Of course weight and restrictor size are only pay off the equation, displacement matters, so does ride height and wing adjustments. But still, the series doesn't look too want viper to win again....

It's got the biggest engine in the class by about 2.4 liters so it's making much more power than the others unrestricted. It is no wonder that the engine has such a small restrictor on it.

TF110 · 18 Aug 2015, 04:17 (Ref:3566588)

Sure, the Viper makes 650hp on the street, but not on the track. Restrictors half the size of the BMW! ~1410kg vs ~1190kg for the Porsche? Damn thats a lot.

Rcz · 18 Aug 2015, 05:06 (Ref:3566592)

The BMW Z4s are cheaters, they need to make a real car or send it to the Conti series ST class

carbsmith · 18 Aug 2015, 05:35 (Ref:3566595)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Sure, the Viper makes 650hp on the street, but not on the track. Restrictors half the size of the BMW! ~1410kg vs ~1190kg for the Porsche? Damn thats a lot.

The Porsche has the smallest engine and the second smallest restrictor.

The BMW looks silly but that's because the engine itself doesn't make enough power to even need restricting really. One of IMSA's great episodes last year was shrinking the restrictor the first time without realizing it was still running effectively wide open.

Akrapovic · 18 Aug 2015, 07:29 (Ref:3566603)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Sure, the Viper makes 650hp on the street, but not on the track. Restrictors half the size of the BMW! ~1410kg vs ~1190kg for the Porsche? Damn thats a lot.

Along the same lines as this, I always found it amusing that the Ferrari Challenge cars are faster than the GTDs. That seems backwards to me.

BullMan · 18 Aug 2015, 14:06 (Ref:3566686)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Along the same lines as this, I always found it amusing that the Ferrari Challenge cars are faster than the GTDs. That seems backwards to me.

The Lambos are even faster.

Deleted · 18 Aug 2015, 16:39 (Ref:3566714)

MUCH faster. Laguna 2015 fastest Q

DP 1:18.718
LMP2 1:19.651
DW 1:20.504
LMPC 1:22.565
GTE 1:22.362
LT 1:23.860
GTD 1:27.040
GS 1:35.765
ST 1:38.805
MX5 1:45.619

seanyb505 · 18 Aug 2015, 17:20 (Ref:3566719)

Makes me sad (in theory) there are no Lambos in GTE.

pablocomics · 18 Aug 2015, 17:41 (Ref:3566733)

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Originally Posted by seanyb505

Makes me sad (in theory) there are no Lambos in GTE.

The history of Lambo with the ACO races is anything but glorious. There are a not very long list of disasters (From JLOC to that Spice-Lambo QVX, and don't forget the Gallardo GT2 or the 400GT)

Deleted · 18 Aug 2015, 19:02 (Ref:3566763)

New graph again for more advanced comparisons than above. Not that LG is probably the greatest of comparison sites for evolution in classes but it's still interesting

CyberMotor · 18 Aug 2015, 21:25 (Ref:3566793)

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Originally Posted by Chiana

New graph again for more advanced comparisons than above. Not that LG is probably the greatest of comparison sites for evolution in classes but it's still interesting

Very interesting and telling. LMP2 the fastest? Must've been during the Penske Porsche days.

What is very telling is how far up the graph the LMP1 cars were. And even more telling than that is the precipitous and ungraceful fall that P2 has experienced only to be surpassed by the lower ranking prototype, the DP.

The DP is just enough faster than P2 to give it the appearance of dominance in the prototype world. Here's a chart that provides the numbers for what we have been attempting to say.

Deleted · 18 Aug 2015, 21:32 (Ref:3566797)

LMP2 is fastest also in 2010 with the combined LMP class, but there in P1 you only really had even then cranky Lola AER lamowagons + handicapped Drayson against the awesome Highcroft and Pickett and Dyson, which explains some of the gap

You know right now P2 pace has essentially crawled its way back to early 2000's

DP vs GT1 is hilarious.

LMPC graph tells you that the Contis aren't exactly as brilliant as some people made them up to be against Mics (though they prob have smaller restrictors now too)

GT2 is interesting because unlike at many other circuits like Road America, it's been kinda stuck in same area for years now without improves in time.

GTC being its fastest in 2010 is somewhat shocking considering the "improvements"

I think I'll do Road Atlanta in the coming days

Coach Ep · 18 Aug 2015, 21:34 (Ref:3566799)

Overall we've lost more than 4 seconds (almost 4,5) in lap time with the dismiss of the P1s (don't ban me yet please Joeb!

) but the P2 have also lost 2 seconds or so, must be tires - and tires only...

How much quicker do we reckon the new 2017 P2/DPs will be? Enough to overcome that 2s loss?

TF110 · 18 Aug 2015, 21:50 (Ref:3566800)

In 1998 FIA GT the Mercedes' CLK's and 911 GT1's qualified in the 1:16's at Laguna. Imo, its a bit sad to think that 17 years ago these guys were going faster than DP and P2 are today. A lot has been learned and gained in technology since then but yet here we are with cars running near 4 seconds off what they could do.

Deleted · 18 Aug 2015, 21:54 (Ref:3566803)

Quite...

The US tracks are especially good for comparisons such as these as most of them have changed very little during the years, unlike the European counterparts.

HORNDAWG · 18 Aug 2015, 22:19 (Ref:3566810)

Hmm, I find it rather telling that all this hoopla infers that this should be measured linearly. All forms of motorsport, including the vaunted F1, are set back at times in the interest of safety and or competition.

L.P.

Deleted · 18 Aug 2015, 22:42 (Ref:3566813)

F1 only has itself (solo category) to contest with.

Anyway I was bored so here is RA already. 1998 added cause it felt wrong to leave the first PLM out.

Obviously the '14 P2 fall wouldn't quite been as sharp as that had Oak not been out of Q to go against the tube framers and it wasn't up to Maxdola to embarras itself, however just as with Laguna LMP falling down it does tell its tale

Rcz · 18 Aug 2015, 23:56 (Ref:3566833)

Geez... Would a current P1 car lap Road Atlanta in then 1 minutes. I bet it could.

It's possible that the new IMSA P2 cars would probably lap around the same as a early to mid 2000s P1 cars. If we assume the weight is still 900kg and the power is north of 600hp. Which is about the same as those cars in those days.

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