Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Saloon & Sportscar Racing > Australasian Touring Cars.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 18 Jul 2006, 06:06 (Ref:1658815)   #1
retro
Veteran
 
retro's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Australia
....Qld....
Posts: 6,033
retro should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridretro should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
...Prodrive...Toyota joint venture.......

Prodrive and Toyota have formed a joint venture in Australia for Prodrive to manufacture/produce Toyota Racing Development Cars (for road use)....(no link)

How far away from a Toyota v8 Supercar by Prodrive are we.?
retro is offline  
__________________
.
.
.


»-(¯`v´¯)-»........................The retro report........................©®»-(¯`v´¯)-» ê¿~

Disclaimer; the above is pure speculation and only posted for entertainment purposes!!!
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 06:12 (Ref:1658821)   #2
Oaksnaf
Veteran
 
Oaksnaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Australia
Posts: 947
Oaksnaf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by retro
Prodrive and Toyota have formed a joint venture in Australia for Prodrive to manufacture/produce Toyota Racing Development Cars (for road use)....(no link)

How far away from a Toyota v8 Supercar by Prodrive are we.?
THere is a link

http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/car-review/1884207.aspx
Oaksnaf is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 06:36 (Ref:1658832)   #3
M-Kart
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Australia
Posts: 531
M-Kart should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by retro
How far away from a Toyota v8 Supercar by Prodrive are we.?
mmm they could start next year. Untill a V8 Aurion comes online, they could re-badge old commodore V8's at Lexens!.............
M-Kart is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 07:08 (Ref:1658847)   #4
GTRMagic
Race Official
1% Club
 
GTRMagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Australia
Sell me this pen....
Posts: 46,571
GTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame

Quote:
Originally Posted by retro
Prodrive and Toyota have formed a joint venture in Australia for Prodrive to manufacture/produce Toyota Racing Development Cars (for road use)....(no link)

How far away from a Toyota v8 Supercar by Prodrive are we.?
Anyone remember a previous suggestion by yours truly that prodrive was moving towards Toyota?? Discussed more than a year ago!! Amazing...
GTRMagic is offline  
__________________
Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003
“I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions
“Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men
“Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 08:50 (Ref:1658919)   #5
Sparklehorse
Racer
 
Sparklehorse's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Australia-Aboriginal
Perth
Posts: 186
Sparklehorse should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Anyone remember a previous suggestion by yours truly that prodrive was moving towards Toyota?? Discussed more than a year ago!! Amazing...

yes GTR i remember this.
Sparklehorse is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 07:39 (Ref:1658866)   #6
Falcadore
Veteran
 
Falcadore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Australia
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 2,725
Falcadore should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Will this have any effect on Neal Bates Motorsport?
Falcadore is offline  
__________________
Mark Alan Jones
Opinionated Human
My opinions only have the power you give them
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 08:19 (Ref:1658888)   #7
GTRMagic
Race Official
1% Club
 
GTRMagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Australia
Sell me this pen....
Posts: 46,571
GTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame

Quote:
Originally Posted by Falcadore
Will this have any effect on Neal Bates Motorsport?
The original pitch had prodrive running the rally arm of the Toyota operation as well... quite how that would work with the prodrive Toyota versus the prodrive Subaru (and possibly the TWPG Lancers as well) was not clear.

I just hope NBM coming 1-2 in the series, winning the manufacturers and drivers titles, and pretty much smashing the field at most rallies is enough for the mob from Altona.... methinks it isnt somehow
GTRMagic is offline  
__________________
Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003
“I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions
“Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men
“Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 14:10 (Ref:1659147)   #8
FIRE
Race Official
Veteran
 
FIRE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Netherlands
Posts: 18,739
FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRMagic
The original pitch had prodrive running the rally arm of the Toyota operation as well... quite how that would work with the prodrive Toyota versus the prodrive Subaru (and possibly the TWPG Lancers as well) was not clear.

I just hope NBM coming 1-2 in the series, winning the manufacturers and drivers titles, and pretty much smashing the field at most rallies is enough for the mob from Altona.... methinks it isnt somehow
Isn't Toyota a Subaru shareholder since last year? If I remember well they bought the Subaru shares from GM.
FIRE is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 09:14 (Ref:1658940)   #9
MRJUCY
Veteran
 
MRJUCY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Australia
At the pub
Posts: 605
MRJUCY should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Prodrive already have a team in the V8s I wonder how hard it would be to make one of their BAs look like a fridge, oops I mean Toymotor.
MRJUCY is offline  
__________________
What's this for anyway?
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 10:09 (Ref:1658980)   #10
Just Do It!
Veteran
 
Just Do It!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location:
New Zealand
Posts: 4,371
Just Do It! should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridJust Do It! should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridJust Do It! should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRJUCY
Prodrive already have a team in the V8s I wonder how hard it would be to make one of their BAs look like a fridge, oops I mean Toymotor.
I am wondering how they will pull it off with interests in FPR, Britek and TKR in a support role and potentially two Toyotas. Doesnt any new entrant have to support 6 cars?
Just Do It! is offline  
__________________
Tranquillity - What happens inside Shane's race car. Chaos - What happens outside Jamie's race car.
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 10:14 (Ref:1658986)   #11
TSR
Veteran
 
TSR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Australia
Sutherland Shire
Posts: 4,182
TSR has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
This story was reported in last FRIDAY Sydney Dailey Telegraph.
TSR is offline  
__________________
2015 V8Supercar Champion #5 PDA Mark Frosty Winterbottom
To Finish First, First you must Finish
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 21:00 (Ref:1659452)   #12
Falcadore
Veteran
 
Falcadore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 1999
Australia
Brisbane, Queensland, Australia
Posts: 2,725
Falcadore should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRJUCY
oops I mean Toymotor.
Pronunciation! It's Toy Yoda.
Falcadore is offline  
__________________
Mark Alan Jones
Opinionated Human
My opinions only have the power you give them
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 09:45 (Ref:1658961)   #13
00 XR8
Veteran
 
00 XR8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Australia
South Australia
Posts: 938
00 XR8 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by retro

How far away from a Toyota v8 Supercar by Prodrive are we.?
Probably about as far away as we are from seeing a Subaru or Aston Martin V8Supercar by Prodrive...........
00 XR8 is offline  
__________________
“Jamie, Jamie, Jamie. What you have to do is you have to say look; the fact of the matter is that I’m red hot, that Todd Kelly is a ******, I have always thought he was, and I was just mowing him down based on ability”. – Neil Crompton talking to Jamie Whincup, post Bathurst 2005.
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 10:01 (Ref:1658974)   #14
Sultan
Veteran
 
Sultan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Australia
Brisvegas, Australia
Posts: 744
Sultan should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Hmmm an Aston Martin V8 Supercar - now THAT'S an exciting thought.....
Sultan is offline  
__________________
Do or do not, there is no try...
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 10:15 (Ref:1658990)   #15
kmsport
Veteran
 
kmsport's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Australia
SA
Posts: 692
kmsport has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
zzzzzzzzzzz
kmsport is offline  
__________________
Damn! I knew that Pole Dancing could be technical, but never to THAT degree!
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 17:00 (Ref:1659277)   #16
racer69
Veteran
 
racer69's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Australia
Sydney, Australia
Posts: 10,040
racer69 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridracer69 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Motorsport organisations tieing up with different manufacturers in the same region has happened before, for example in the mid-80s when TWR ran works Jaguars and works Rovers in European Group A racing at the same time (though Jaguar and Rover were linked of course)

A better example is in the late-90s, Ray Mallock Ltd ran the works Nissan's in the British Touring Car Championship, and at the same ran the works Vauxhall Astra's in the British Rally Championship (the works Vauxhall's in the BTCC of course being run, as know, by 888).

It wouldn't really have any effect on the V8 side of things i wouldn't think, Prodrive own Ford Performance Vehicles after all.

A Toyota/Prodrive rally team isn't impossible, though the ARC seems to be heading into very troubled times (the loss of Rally Australia could have the same effect on Australian Rallying as happened when we lost the Southern Cross Rally in the early 80s), it's not exactly hot property at the moment.

Last edited by racer69; 18 Jul 2006 at 17:04.
racer69 is offline  
__________________
"The Great Race"
22 November 1960 - 21 July 1999
Quote
Old 18 Jul 2006, 20:43 (Ref:1659441)   #17
Aquarius
Racer
 
Aquarius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location:
at a "permanent" race track
Posts: 314
Aquarius should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Toyota V8 Supercar

sorry

not trying to be cynical
Aquarius is offline  
__________________
Bring racing back to Australian RACE TRACKS, leave the streets to all other motorists
Quote
Old 19 Jul 2006, 00:01 (Ref:1659573)   #18
GTRMagic
Race Official
1% Club
 
GTRMagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Australia
Sell me this pen....
Posts: 46,571
GTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Interestingly prodrive has previously done work for Mazda (as part of the Ford family...) fitting turbo kits to Mx5's and Rx8's as part of the 'SP' projects.

I wonder if this shall stop.

Doesnt prodrive own 51% of FPV... such that Ford might benefit from doing work for Toyota?
GTRMagic is offline  
__________________
Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003
“I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions
“Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men
“Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House
Quote
Old 19 Jul 2006, 03:35 (Ref:1659651)   #19
Oaksnaf
Veteran
 
Oaksnaf's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Australia
Posts: 947
Oaksnaf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Interestingly prodrive has previously done work for Mazda (as part of the Ford family...) fitting turbo kits to Mx5's and Rx8's as part of the 'SP' projects.

I wonder if this shall stop.

Doesnt prodrive own 51% of FPV... such that Ford might benefit from doing work for Toyota?
I dont think Prodrive have gone to Toyota for those reasons at all. If anything Prodrive will help Toyota more than they will Ford with the annoucement they made two weeks ago.

Plus if anything the main Ford model that would benefit will be its Ute and not its FPV performance vehicles (that includes 'those' Utes).

Prodrive does own FPV (51% as you said) but that doesn't mean it's a Ford company.
Oaksnaf is offline  
Quote
Old 20 Jul 2006, 01:53 (Ref:1660434)   #20
mac
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,702
mac should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridmac should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridmac should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
The FPV side of Prodrive and the TRD operation will be run by entirely separate parts of the business.

TRD will have two outfits in Australia - TRD road vehicles in Victoria, and TRD motorsport in Canberra (Neal Bates Motorsport).

The Prodrive link is purely about assembling the road vehicles. They will have nothing to do with their development and Toyota will hold all intellectual property - but Prodrive will look after the facility and assembly.

As for the health of the ARC - there are some very interesting measures in the pipeline for the series in the coming year. Stay tuned .....
mac is offline  
Quote
Old 20 Jul 2006, 02:56 (Ref:1660456)   #21
racer69
Veteran
 
racer69's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Australia
Sydney, Australia
Posts: 10,040
racer69 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridracer69 should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by mac
As for the health of the ARC - there are some very interesting measures in the pipeline for the series in the coming year. Stay tuned .....
I really hope so, if something isn't done we are on the verge of heading into a modern day version of the 'Group G' saga of the mid-80s.........
racer69 is offline  
__________________
"The Great Race"
22 November 1960 - 21 July 1999
Quote
Old 20 Jul 2006, 03:25 (Ref:1660476)   #22
GTRMagic
Race Official
1% Club
 
GTRMagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Australia
Sell me this pen....
Posts: 46,571
GTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame

Quote:
Originally Posted by racer69
I really hope so, if something isn't done we are on the verge of heading into a modern day version of the 'Group G' saga of the mid-80s.........
Its already that now... bleat and moan loud enough and woo hoo you get a centre diff upgrade, and different turbo manifolds and dump pipes....

Meantime the Subaru Group-N spec car is still more than competitive... and so would the Lancer if it had someone as nutso (in the nicest possible way!) as Simon Evans aboard
GTRMagic is offline  
__________________
Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003
“I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions
“Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men
“Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House
Quote
Old 20 Jul 2006, 03:53 (Ref:1660486)   #23
mac
Veteran
 
Join Date: May 2001
Posts: 5,702
mac should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridmac should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridmac should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Its already that now... bleat and moan loud enough and woo hoo you get a centre diff upgrade, and different turbo manifolds and dump pipes....
The upgrades that the Corollas received were purely about bringing the cars up to date from the 1996 Celica GT4 that they were based on.

While the Subarus and Mitsubishis had the latest gear - the Toyotas were using decade-old spec equipment.

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTRMagic
Meantime the Subaru Group-N spec car is still more than competitive... and so would the Lancer if it had someone as nutso (in the nicest possible way!) as Simon Evans aboard
Exactly. There is no concrete evidence that the EVO or the WRX is any slower than the Toyotas. Pedder is often as quick as Evans (but doesn't finish as often), while Herridge made good use of his more "user-friendly" spec Impreza in Tassie.

As for Prodrive taking over the Toyota rally operation - there is no organisation in the country that could build a better rally car than Neal Bates Motorsport.
mac is offline  
Quote
Old 20 Jul 2006, 05:50 (Ref:1660514)   #24
GTRMagic
Race Official
1% Club
 
GTRMagic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Australia
Sell me this pen....
Posts: 46,571
GTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameGTRMagic will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame

Quote:
Originally Posted by mac
As for Prodrive taking over the Toyota rally operation - there is no organisation in the country that could build a better rally car than Neal Bates Motorsport.
How about the geniuses (genii?) that thought a RWD bitza Focus was the path to rallying success?? Three monumental rear end failures, and countless test days still make it as slow as a wet week...
GTRMagic is offline  
__________________
Happy David Thexton Day, 21st March 2003
“I am not uncertain” - Dollar Bill Stern, Billions
“Fear stimulates my imagination” - Don Draper, Mad Men
“Everybody Lies” - Dr Gregory House
Quote
Old 12 Jan 2017, 05:55 (Ref:3701967)   #25
D.R.T.
Veteran
 
D.R.T.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location:
Sydeny
Posts: 8,963
D.R.T. should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridD.R.T. should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by retro View Post
How far away from a Toyota v8 Supercar by Prodrive are we.?
11 years and counting
D.R.T. is offline  
__________________
Upon entry into the Bathurst 1000, it should be mandatory to view the compelling "Moffat - Man and the Mountain" film
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Power Loss At Universal Joint johnny yuma Racing Technology 17 2 May 2006 18:52
888 and Prodrive marcus Touring Car Racing 14 13 Apr 2004 21:40
Prodrive for ps2 who has it jslone Virtual Racers 7 9 Nov 2002 05:51
New venture for VLR Reido Rules Touring Car Racing 36 24 Jun 2002 21:03
Prodrive marcus Sportscar & GT Racing 1 4 Jul 2000 17:20


All times are GMT. The time now is 17:41.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.