Will Hamilton win in 2013? - Page 2

Flat Out Farr · 14 Jan 2013, 13:06 (Ref:3188945)

If the boys at Brackley build Lewis and Nico a half decent or better car, Lewis will do an Alonso and put it higher up the grid than expected. It won't take long for Mercedes to realise that Lewis was the better option compared to MS. But that is another thread !!

So yes, I would love to see Lewis grab a win. He will get one, maybe two.
If Ross and co go radical like 2009, you never know. Who would have put money on Jenson Winning the WDC?

rochellegioia · 14 Jan 2013, 13:25 (Ref:3188956)

I want Hamilton to win but I don't like guessing, I'll just wait and see what will happen. Goodluck to Hamilton

Marbot · 14 Jan 2013, 16:53 (Ref:3189038)

I think he'll win a race, but, generally, it will be another frustrating season for AMG Mercedes.

**Adam43** · 14 Jan 2013, 20:27 (Ref:3189118)

My guess is no, but I'm not confident of that at all.

DanMinton · 14 Jan 2013, 20:43 (Ref:3189129)

I think he can win but im more interested to see how much quicker he is than Nico.

JeremySmith · 14 Jan 2013, 21:03 (Ref:3189143)

If Nico can win a race in that car then Lewis can win one also, maybe two..

**Adam43** · 14 Jan 2013, 21:49 (Ref:3189163)

I considered that, but I expect Red Bull to hit the ground running this year...

JHamilton · 14 Jan 2013, 22:21 (Ref:3189174)

Nope.

strider · 14 Jan 2013, 22:38 (Ref:3189184)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

If Nico can win a race in that car then Lewis can win one also, maybe two..

But the point is from what I hear (and it's a good source) that the 2013 will not be a rehash of what we saw last year.

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Originally Posted by Adam43

I considered that, but I expect Red Bull to hit the ground running this year...

It may be bluff, but they are saying they are behind schedule with their 2013 car because they had to put so much into continued development of the 2012 version to get Vettel's third title.

Whichever way it develops, it will certainly add interest to the opening part of the season at least.

**Bononi** · 14 Jan 2013, 23:55 (Ref:3189218)

I think we will have to wait and see if it happens...

Marbot · 15 Jan 2013, 01:26 (Ref:3189250)

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Originally Posted by strider

It may be bluff, but they are saying they are behind schedule with their 2013 car because they had to put so much into continued development of the 2012 version to get Vettel's third title.

To add to that. It will also be interesting to see who gives up on the 2013 season first, in order to put all of their efforts into 2014.

LC2guy · 15 Jan 2013, 10:21 (Ref:3189341)

The 2013 Merecedes will be much better than the 2012 car. Where that will stack up against the oppositions new cars is the question no-one knows. Merc kept only a skeleton staff on the 2012 car from mid-season, and a lot of resource has gone into the 2013 car, and there is a LOT of confidence that this season is going to be a strong one for them. There are people at the factory that are less than ammused that their new driver has been less than positive about his chances in this team for 2013. I wouldn't be surprised to see Merc in the title hunt, so yes, race wins are the MINIMUM expectation for this season.

Marbot · 15 Jan 2013, 11:09 (Ref:3189362)

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Originally Posted by LC2guy

The 2013 Merecedes will be much better than the 2012 car. Where that will stack up against the oppositions new cars is the question no-one knows. Merc kept only a skeleton staff on the 2012 car from mid-season, and a lot of resource has gone into the 2013 car, and there is a LOT of confidence that this season is going to be a strong one for them. There are people at the factory that are less than ammused that their new driver has been less than positive about his chances in this team for 2013. I wouldn't be surprised to see Merc in the title hunt, so yes, race wins are the MINIMUM expectation for this season.

Same old same old.

**Bononi** · 15 Jan 2013, 11:27 (Ref:3189369)

Well, from one single win to fight for the title, meaning at least 5 to 6 wins, it's a lot of expectation.

But one will remember the days of Brawn GP...

Marbot · 15 Jan 2013, 12:52 (Ref:3189397)

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Originally Posted by Bononi

But one will remember the days of Brawn GP...

Well yeah, but once the others had sussed out what was happening, it wasn't long before the Brawn was made to look the second, third or even the fourth best car by the end of that season. It was good while it lasted, but never to be repeated again over the next three seasons.

Only if Mercedes have managed to figure out what was going wrong last season, will they have figured out what is needed for this season, and this season there won't be the scenario that gave us seven different winners in the first seven races like last season gave us. No one is likely to 'luck' into victories this season.

**Born Racer** · 15 Jan 2013, 12:52 (Ref:3189398)

I think it's difficult (but enjoyable) to speculate. Once the cars hit the track, we'll get some ideas of course.

VIVA GT · 15 Jan 2013, 13:12 (Ref:3189402)

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Originally Posted by Born Racer

I think it's difficult (but enjoyable) to speculate. Once the cars hit the track, we'll get some ideas of course.

Until the season (or at least testing) starts speculating is all that we can do.
It is good fun, and interesting to read peoples differing thoughts, plus it keeps our interest alive.

Mr V · 15 Jan 2013, 14:09 (Ref:3189426)

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Originally Posted by strider

.It may be bluff, but they are saying they are behind schedule with their 2013 car because they had to put so much into continued development of the 2012 version to get Vettel's third title.

(not pointed at you mate)

Red Bull went to the wire in 2010 trying to get their first 2 championships (drivers and constructors) then they came out with the 2011 which destroyed everybody (in Vettel's hands at least).

strider · 15 Jan 2013, 15:24 (Ref:3189443)

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Originally Posted by Mr V

(not pointed at you mate)

Red Bull went to the wire in 2010 trying to get their first 2 championships (drivers and constructors) then they came out with the 2011 which destroyed everybody (in Vettel's hands at least).

No problem, but thanks for the comment. I did say it might be bluff.

**Adam43** · 15 Jan 2013, 22:33 (Ref:3189621)

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Originally Posted by strider

But the point is from what I hear (and it's a good source) that the 2013 will not be a rehash of what we saw last year.It may be bluff, but they are saying they are behind schedule with their 2013 car because they had to put so much into continued development of the 2012 version to get Vettel's third title.

Whichever way it develops, it will certainly add interest to the opening part of the season at least.

Good points. As said by others too the balance could shift either way.

Mercedes had the worse car, but potentially had more time to develop. Red Bull the better car, but less time. Who knows?!

wnut · 15 Jan 2013, 23:14 (Ref:3189648)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Well yeah, but once the others had sussed out what was happening, it wasn't long before the Brawn was made to look the second, third or even the fourth best car by the end of that season. It was good while it lasted, but never to be repeated again over the next three seasons.

Only if Mercedes have managed to figure out what was going wrong last season, will they have figured out what is needed for this season, and this season there won't be the scenario that gave us seven different winners in the first seven races like last season gave us. No one is likely to 'luck' into victories this season.

The greatest negative about Hamilton getting a victory in 2013 is Schumacher's resignation.
I think he no longer believes that Bawn/Mercedes has what it needs to take the WDC, and on that basis has pulled the plug.
Haug is also out of the program which can't be good for anyone involved.

Lewis is quick, but will have his work cut out. Maybe the question should be: Will Lewis get a pole or not?

JeremySmith · 16 Jan 2013, 01:04 (Ref:3189680)

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Originally Posted by wnut

The greatest negative about Hamilton getting a victory in 2013 is Schumacher's resignation.
I think he no longer believes that Bawn/Mercedes has what it needs to take the WDC, and on that basis has pulled the plug.
Haug is also out of the program which can't be good for anyone involved.

Lewis is quick, but will have his work cut out. Maybe the question should be: Will Lewis get a pole or not?

With all due respect that is....

The Mercedes is very quick, not as quick as the the other three cars but not very far away..

TF110 · 16 Jan 2013, 09:42 (Ref:3189843)

Mercedes used a 50% scale windtunnel then switched to a 60% scale tunnel in the season. That played a big part in the car falling back. Also they changed hands on the aero team. Then they chased the McLaren style exhaust that never gave them the benefits they expected.

wnut · 16 Jan 2013, 14:36 (Ref:3189973)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

With all due respect that is....

The Mercedes is very quick, not as quick as the the other three cars but not very far away..

That would be four teams, eight cars and that is exactly where Rosberg finished in the WDC, ninth.

Mercedes 5th in WCC on 142 points vs Renault in 4th on 303 points. Not too far clear of Sauber on 126 points.

jj2448jg · 16 Jan 2013, 21:58 (Ref:3190161)

I really cannot tell if this Mercedes thing for Lewis is going to work out until at least the end of winter testing, but from gut reaction, I do think he will win maybe 1-3 races, a Schumacher 1996 scenario.

But, I will always be sad to think that it could have been Schumi driving that car.

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