LM24 Pescarolo Sport future plans...?!?! - Page 24

Victor_RO · 11 Mar 2012, 18:41 (Ref:3038414)

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Originally Posted by The Badger

Like we all speak French !!!

Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Basic PR stuff about both teams, and apparently they will run as a single entity that will be running up to 4 cars this year, 2 GT Ferraris and one or two LMP1 cars. So by that I would think that the two banners will continue to exist, but there will be a single big engineering and racing team under two designations.

This is what I could gather from what was being said there.

AndrewF31 · 11 Mar 2012, 19:32 (Ref:3038443)

probably to save costs on logistics.

Félix · 11 Mar 2012, 20:06 (Ref:3038465)

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Originally Posted by TF110

he can incorporate a lower nosecone on the car. Take a look at the deltawing. By using the tub, does that mean he has to use the nosebox as well? He said the only thing good was the chassis. The high nose is apart of the aero. He doesn't speak highly about that.

No he can't. Why is he using an existing chassis? Because it's crash-tested. That includes the front nosebox. That explains why there are so many Courage LC70-based cars out there. A new part means a new 100K$ test. Audi can do it, not Pescarolo. Theoretically they could probably fit a Pesca 01 nose or some other pre-homologated part with compatible bracketery, but I don't think they will. (Pilbeam one sold SR2 crashboxes)

It will be a high nose, something like 50cm off the reference surface. Not unlike the Peugeot 908 nose really. Air will flow along the sides and under the nose/tub, which is not exactly bad for aero.

isynge · 11 Mar 2012, 22:04 (Ref:3038522)

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Originally Posted by Félix

No he can't. Why is he using an existing chassis? Because it's crash-tested. That includes the front nosebox. That explains why there are so many Courage LC70-based cars out there. A new part means a new 100K$ test. Audi can do it, not Pescarolo. Theoretically they could probably fit a Pesca 01 nose or some other pre-homologated part with compatible bracketery, but I don't think they will. (Pilbeam one sold SR2 crashboxes)

It will be a high nose, something like 50cm off the reference surface. Not unlike the Peugeot 908 nose really. Air will flow along the sides and under the nose/tub, which is not exactly bad for aero.

I'm pretty sure I recall reading that the high nose of the AMR-ONE was part of the appeal of the chassis to Pescarolo and Galopin - who opined that it was the route they would have taken had they been designing a tub. Can't locate provenance of this, so perfectly possible this could be a misquote.

That said, the fact the the Delta Wing doesn't have to run a high nose says to me that Pescarolo isn't painted into a corner on this.

Victor_RO · 11 Mar 2012, 22:12 (Ref:3038530)

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Originally Posted by isynge

I'm pretty sure I recall reading that the high nose of the AMR-ONE was part of the appeal of the chassis to Pescarolo and Galopin - who opined that it was the route they would have taken had they been designing a tub. Can't locate provenance of this, so perfectly possible this could be a misquote.

That said, the fact the the Delta Wing doesn't have to run a high nose says to me that Pescarolo isn't painted into a corner on this.

The Delta Wing is built on a different geometry and aero philosophy, and with the front wheel geometry it looks like there's a lot of overhang in front of the tub actually. So there's enough bodywork space there to lower the nose. The Pescarolo will have conventional geometries, so there's less overhang to play with.

gwyllion · 13 Mar 2012, 23:02 (Ref:3040639)

A long interview with Henri Pescarolo about Sebring, the new 03, the Dome, and the partnership with Luxury: http://endurance-info.com/version2/a...ance-9826.html

gwyllion · 15 Mar 2012, 10:18 (Ref:3041385)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

A long interview with Henri Pescarolo about Sebring, the new 03, the Dome, and the partnership with Luxury: http://endurance-info.com/version2/a...ance-9826.html

A complementary interview, this time from the other Laurent: http://www.86400.fr/articles/211-hen...ous-les-fronts

Pescarolo wants to show the ability of his team as a car constructor by transforming the AMR-One into a good LMP1 car. He still hopes to attract a manufacturer by 2014.

Claude Galopin is the technical director of Pescarolo Sport and Nicolas Perrin, through his consulting firm Perrinn Limited, is responsible for the design of the 03 car.

The shakedown of the Pescarolo 03 is planned just before Spa at the Chateauroux airfield, where they also did the Dome rollout.

Another test is planned between Spa and the Le Mans test day. If the Spa race goes well, this test could be transformed into an endurance test. Otherwise no endurance test will be planned before Le Mans.

Mal · 15 Mar 2012, 10:45 (Ref:3041399)

The translation I used quoted ' we are talking to manufacturers who want to come into Endurance racing in 2014'

...... interesting

CTD · 15 Mar 2012, 10:54 (Ref:3041413)

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Originally Posted by Mal

The translation I used quoted ' we are talking to manufacturers who want to come into Endurance racing in 2014'

...... interesting

PEUGEOT!

Renault/Nissan? - The PR on the Nissan "Delta-somthing" is quite big.

raist_DK · 15 Mar 2012, 11:22 (Ref:3041432)

I would love to se Pug back at le mans

**Aysedasi** · 15 Mar 2012, 11:51 (Ref:3041448)

They've only been gone 5 minutes!

CTD · 15 Mar 2012, 13:33 (Ref:3041508)

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Originally Posted by Aysedasi

They've only been gone 5 minutes!

I only meant them as a joke

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But Renualt/Nissan I'm serious about

alexkiller8 · 15 Mar 2012, 13:59 (Ref:3041524)

apparently nissan is taking the lotus influence to badge everything so after the signatech support isn't to exclude a future pescarolo/nissan collaboration that may be a pescarolo 03/judd with nissan badge and logo on bodywork or a 2014/2015 collaboration for a brand new prototype.

gwyllion · 15 Mar 2012, 14:37 (Ref:3041540)

There is no rebadging involved in the Signatech and Greaves support

NelisB · 15 Mar 2012, 14:45 (Ref:3041543)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

There is no rebadging involved in the Signatech and Greaves support

Isn't Zytek the one company that developed and maintains the current VK45DE? It might be know as a Nissan engine but it was actually developed by Zytek.

alexkiller8 · 15 Mar 2012, 14:48 (Ref:3041545)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

There is no rebadging involved in the Signatech and Greaves support

i talked about signatech support (sponsor financial, third driver supplying) not badging. I guess that zytek just set the engine for endurance usage

gwyllion · 15 Mar 2012, 14:48 (Ref:3041546)

That information is completely wrong. The engine has been developed by NISMO. Zytek only does the customer support because they are located in Europe.

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To offer the VK45DE LMP2 engines to privateer teams in Europe and to efficiently provide swift customer support for the 2011 season and beyond, NISMO has entered into a partnership with Zytek Motorsports Ltd (Repton, Derbyshire, UK).

Zytek will assemble engines precisely to NISMO specifications, with parts and components supplied by NISMO, and deliver engines to European customers.

gwyllion · 15 Mar 2012, 14:50 (Ref:3041547)

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Originally Posted by alexkiller8

i talked about signatech support (sponsor financial, third driver supplying) not badging.

And how does that resemble Lotus

alexkiller8 · 15 Mar 2012, 15:20 (Ref:3041556)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

And how does that resemble Lotus

lotus badging? are you blind?
do you know about a lola coupè lmp2 with judd engine marked as lotus? or a judd 2.2 engine marked as lotus as well ? i'm just saying that nissan seems to have started a similiar strategy with 1. badging as nissan the engine of the deltawing (if that is a nissan engine, i'm a sayan) 2. giving heavy support to some customers team... with these 2 premises i said that maybe in future we maybe can see a collaboration between nissan and pescarolo for a new spec lmp or a pescarolo car judd powered but marked as nissan.

jc_nl · 15 Mar 2012, 15:21 (Ref:3041557)

How is the 2.2(indycar engine I sume) not a Lotus????
Lotus payed Judd to design and build that engine for them, so it's a Lotus!

As for Nissan sponsoring a single team, doesn't Greaves also get a nice slice of the cake. Nissan seems to have had quite a lot of influence in their driver line up.....

alexkiller8 · 15 Mar 2012, 15:34 (Ref:3041565)

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Originally Posted by jc_nl

How is the 2.2(indycar engine I sume) not a Lotus????
Lotus payed Judd to design and build that engine for them, so it's a Lotus!

As for Nissan sponsoring a single team, doesn't Greaves also get a nice slice of the cake. Nissan seems to have had quite a lot of influence in their driver line up.....

you just said by your own who really projected and developed that engine, making some search some time ago i realized that maybe lotus never did an engine by her self

**Aysedasi** · 15 Mar 2012, 15:42 (Ref:3041567)

No doubt that Lotus have never 'done an engine' by themselves!!! They never were engine builders. The comparison really doesn't work at all.

NelisB · 15 Mar 2012, 15:46 (Ref:3041570)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

That information is completely wrong. The engine has been developed by NISMO. Zytek only does the customer support because they are located in Europe.

I was looking for the information because I wasn't to sure but I came about this press release: Here.

gwyllion · 15 Mar 2012, 15:51 (Ref:3041579)

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Originally Posted by alexkiller8

you just said by your own who really projected and developed that engine

You are being ridiculous. How is the Lotus Indycar engine any different from the Chevrolet engine that is designed and built by Ilmor? How is the Nissan DeltaWing engine any different from the Mazda LMP1 engine that is designed by AER?

alexkiller8 · 15 Mar 2012, 16:08 (Ref:3041593)

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Originally Posted by gwyllion

You are being ridiculous. How is the Lotus Indycar engine any different from the Chevrolet engine that is designed and built by Ilmor? How is the Nissan DeltaWing engine any different from the Mazda LMP1 engine that is designed by AER?

you're mixing engine that don't share nothing, so how could be understandable your post? the deltawing engine is a "nissan" version of engines used in WTCC, what's the matter or relationship with AER and mazda ?
however, a discussion in a forum and real life is alive because of different point of view about a matter, but when a user insult another one is just sign of ignorance, so i don't think you're in the condition to say ridiculous to someone else here. I don't expect your apologies but i reported your post

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