[Official] Italian Grand Prix

[Born Racer]

Finally back in England after being stuck (ironically) in Italy. Looking forward to delivering another Grand Prix weekend thread soon!

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

Finally back in England after being stuck (ironically) in Italy. Looking forward to delivering another Grand Prix weekend thread soon!

Glad for you that you're back home BR but I reckon I'd have been tempted to get creative with further reasons to be "stuck in Italy" for a few more days!

[v8supes]

How many more of these "movie" cars are we going to have? Theres now 3 of them? Yet theres no space for new teams.... Right?

[bjohnsonsmith]

I usually look forward to Monza but last year's race was a disappointment, after it ended under the safety car. Hopefully there won't be a repeat this year. Can Verstappen make it 10 consecutive wins?

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by v8supes

How many more of these "movie" cars are we going to have? Theres now 3 of them? Yet theres no space for new teams.... Right?

Yes, that's why there's no room left!

[bjohnsonsmith]

It looked like Verstappen had pipped Leclerc to take pole and Sainz pulls it out of the bag. Another excellent and entertaining qualifying session.

[broadrun96]

Guess after the session means within seconds of the end of the session. They need to actually say WHY no action for something as simple as exceeding maximum lap time. Tell us scoring error cause new rule or went off track at whatever corner but it's the FIA.

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Guess after the session means within seconds of the end of the session. They need to actually say WHY no action for something as simple as exceeding maximum lap time. Tell us scoring error cause new rule or went off track at whatever corner but it's the FIA.

Apparently there is a clause to the rule, that if they slow to make way for a car on a fast lap, then they can exceed the time limit.

[bjohnsonsmith]

In this article from Motorsport, Vasseur says Leclerc and Sainz weren't penalised for going slower than 1m41s, as they were giving way to cars coming through on flying laps.


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...tion/10515176/

[Lancsbreaker]

That and the fact that the Tifosi would have lynched the Stewards if they'd penalised the Ferrari drivers......


And perhaps a little leeway on a newly introduced rule?

[Richard C]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

That and the fact that the Tifosi would have lynched the Stewards if they'd penalised the Ferrari drivers......


And perhaps a little leeway on a newly introduced rule?

I tend to believe this. Because if you are slowing to let others pass and don't have to meet the minimum delta, that is a massive loophole. I mean isn't the entire field on a hotlap at some point. When are you not being passed if you are on track and not on a hotlap? The situation they found themselves in is... not unexpected!

Maybe you might expect traffic based upon pit communication and maintain a higher general speed so that you can then slow/move over for traffic and still meet your minimum delta? Regardless, I think a penalty here would not have been the best. I would maybe hope the Stewards said... "you get a pass this time, but you know you could have made this work as intended".

Richard

[Gerard C]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

That and the fact that the Tifosi would have lynched the Stewards if they'd penalised the Ferrari drivers......

Thank you Richard, your post is like fresh air. IMO.

[Aysedasi]

I was pleased to see Carlos put one over not just Max but his esteemed team mate. He clearly has the speed and seems less error-prone than Charles right now. But we all know that Max will probably run off into the distance, aided one fears by the legendary Ferrari strategy and pit incompetence….

[S griffin]

I knew Ferrari would be on the pace here and Sainz grabbed the perfect opportunity to be on pole. He's certainly quicker than Leclerc over one lap here. However I too have a feeling the race will be a different story. However Max might just have a tougher job today....

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Aysedasi

I was pleased to see Carlos put one over not just Max but his esteemed team mate. He clearly has the speed and seems less error-prone than Charles right now. But we all know that Max will probably run off into the distance, aided one fears by the legendary Ferrari strategy and pit incompetence….

Being in Spain at the moment and watching qualy in some very enthusiastic Sports bar the cheer that went up as Carlos got the job done and crossed the line was so inspiring I joined in! (That I was sat next to a couple of Dutch and obvious Max fans somehow made it all even better.). Nothing against Max, it was just great to see it all unfold in Sainz favour.

[peebee2]

Carlos might pull one lap out of the bag, and he certainly did that well. Matching Charles lap on lap in race pace is quite another kettle of fish.

[TrapezeArtist]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I knew Ferrari would be on the pace here ....

They always are at Monza. It does make me wonder why that is. Car design optimised for Monza and never mind any other track? In the past there were rumours of 3.5 litre engines just for Monza but with the modern hybrid rules I can't see that working today.

I'm delighted for Carlos, by the way. An under-rated driver and a gentleman.

[Aysedasi]

Originally Posted by peebee2

Carlos might pull one lap out of the bag, and he certainly did that week. Matching Charles lap in lap in race pace is quite another kettle of fish.

As you know, I'm not convinced that Charles is the 'next big thing' and personally I don't think there's much to choose between them - certainly right now. I perceive Carlos to be more level headed and doesn't get as 'down' as Charles does nor make as many mistakes through 'over-trying'.

[S griffin]

I fear Charles might be one of those drivers who we might look back and think ‘what could have been’. Carlos certainly has more experience that helps, but in terms of raw speed, I’ll always go for Charles

[bjohnsonsmith]

Tsunoda's out of the race before it got started, so the start has been aborted.

[v8supes]

20 minutes to move a car. TWENTY MINUTES.

You cannot tell me F1 dont create these story lines on purpose for "content".

[bjohnsonsmith]

That's the cleanest start I've ever seen at Monza.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Tsunoda's out of the race before it got started, so the start has been aborted.

Why couldn't the nearby marshals push the broken down car in to the opening which was a few metres back down the track?

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Why couldn't the nearby marshals push the broken down car in to the opening which was a few metres back down the track?

The Sky commentary thought it was stuck in gear.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Verstappen gets past Sainz and Perez reciprocates by getting past Russell.