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Old 12 Nov 2017, 19:44 (Ref:3780078)   #676
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Losing GTE Am isn't much of a problem, it doesn't really offer anything other classes don't and tends to be the main source of destroyed LMP1 cars. Putting pressure on GTE Pro doesn't bother me that much either, I'm not hugely fond of all the manufacturers shacking up in the slow class without any encouragement to move up. The issue then becomes the way GTE is artificially held at 3:50 though.

The question is actually whether LMP2 or GTE Am is cheaper though, because you'd need considerably more LMP2 cars than are actually running anywhere to push GTE Am out entirely. 2017 was 24 LMP2, 15 GTE Am, 12 GTE Pro, and 6 LMP1 with I think an LMP2 reserve. Although the last few teams were different, the rest of the year there was around 25 or 26 current gen LMP2 cars running across WEC, ELMS, and IMSA so there was maybe 30 of the things out there? Next year there's a few more IMSA cars (probably none of which will go to Le Mans again) but 3-5 of those LMP2 entries are going to LMP1. So adding 10-20 more LMP2 cars seems like a big stretch unless it's really cost effective.
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Old 12 Nov 2017, 19:58 (Ref:3780080)   #677
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We have different priorities it appears - I'm not concerned with overall lap time, so the 3:50 holding time on the GTE-Pro class doesn't bother me.

If you opened up to any car is fastest then you'd have teams moving to LMP2 who are far out of their depth, because it'd get them on the grid. We seen it before with teams like T2M. You'd have teams hiring a chassis and then running around at the back bringing absolutely nothing. You may not completely push the GTE class out, but you would see more LMP2 cars, and not necessarily running well.

I'd personally rather see 4 high quality classes (or 3, there's an argument for one large GTE class) than 2 classes with high numbers and poor quality. It gives quality and variety.

I don't see a huge problem with the way it currently is. My only issue is when they start dropping long time regular supporters of the series and events to allow in multiple manufacturer cars who are just doing one event, or in it for the short term.
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Old 12 Nov 2017, 20:24 (Ref:3780082)   #678
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We have different priorities it appears - I'm not concerned with overall lap time, so the 3:50 holding time on the GTE-Pro class doesn't bother me.

If you opened up to any car is fastest then you'd have teams moving to LMP2 who are far out of their depth, because it'd get them on the grid. We seen it before with teams like T2M. You'd have teams hiring a chassis and then running around at the back bringing absolutely nothing. You may not completely push the GTE class out, but you would see more LMP2 cars, and not necessarily running well.

I'd personally rather see 4 high quality classes (or 3, there's an argument for one large GTE class) than 2 classes with high numbers and poor quality. It gives quality and variety.

I don't see a huge problem with the way it currently is. My only issue is when they start dropping long time regular supporters of the series and events to allow in multiple manufacturer cars who are just doing one event, or in it for the short term.
Excellent point. Restricting GTE-Pro (or P1 when relevant) to three entries per manufacturer makes totally sense.

However, said manufacturers are obviously bringing in big bucks to LM (and the series). The ACO will find it very hard to say 'non' to that.
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Old 13 Nov 2017, 21:01 (Ref:3780278)   #679
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Does anyone have a link to where the BoP updates are officially posted? They used to be in the WEC news section but they've stopped posting them. Not on the FIA site from what I can find either.
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It was said on some DSC piece that Oreca may field LMP1 under themselves next year? That'd be interesting, and first time since 2011. I mean I know they've basically been running the Toyota operations anyway track side, but team of their own.
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It was said on some DSC piece that Oreca may field LMP1 under themselves next year? That'd be interesting, and first time since 2011. I mean I know they've basically been running the Toyota operations anyway track side, but team of their own.
It's a rumor right now. Maybe dragonspeed is going to run an Oreca lmp1 because so far they've yet to announce what their car choice is. DSC hinting at some new announcements at Bahrain too!

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It's a rumor right now. Maybe dragonspeed is going to run an Oreca lmp1 because so far they've yet to announce what their car choice is. DSC hinting at some new announcements at Bahrain too!
Yes, interesting times!

ACO better not mess this sudden gem of a field that's shaping up for the next couple of years, seemingly.

I'll be shaking my head if Rebellion stays in LMP2 just when finally for the first time since 2012 there's actual competition for them in LMP1. Even Manor can do a program running both LMP1 and LMP2 next year, why can't them? AT THE VERY LEAST, even if they run LMP2 full year, rent Ginetta or Oreca LMP1 and enter it just for Le Mans, please. The entry is guaranteed, ACO wants these cars in priority.
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Old 15 Nov 2017, 14:18 (Ref:3780563)   #685
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Rebellion nearing full season/P1 decision:

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Old 15 Nov 2017, 14:22 (Ref:3780564)   #686
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Excellent, I mean even the notion of making the decision in December gets me hopeful. Screw Daytona, don't care rats ass about that
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Old 15 Nov 2017, 19:21 (Ref:3780609)   #687
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Nope, we need the Rebs in LMP1 for WEC and Le Mans!
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They should never have left LMP1, that is were they should be
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Agreed the decision to leave for 2017 was very short-sighted, even considering no-one really suspected Porsche's withdrawal.

I think if all the pieces locked in together we actually could have around 12-13 P1s for Le Mans?? We can only hope
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Agreed the decision to leave for 2017 was very short-sighted, even considering no-one really suspected Porsche's withdrawal.

I think if all the pieces locked in together we actually could have around 12-13 P1s for Le Mans?? We can only hope
That may be the case, but we already had the P2's on the overall podium this year. Is a P2 really that much worse of a proposition for a team when it comes to Le Mans in 2018? Don't get me wrong, I want to see REB in P1 and as many cars as possible in P1, but if I had a team, I wouldn't count out a P2 entry being strong at Le Mans.
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