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Old 13 Jun 2015, 19:42 (Ref:3549072)   #1
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Patrick Head receives knighthood - John Surtees?

Noticed today that Patrick Head has received a knighthood in the latest Queen's birthday honours list.
Although well deserved for Patrick Head, one wonders how John Surtees the only man to hold world titles on 2 and 4 wheels can be overlooked for the same honour to add to his MBE & OBE.
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Old 13 Jun 2015, 21:40 (Ref:3549236)   #2
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It is not beyond the realms of possibility that John Surtees has been offered such an honour, and that he declined to accept it. Do not forget that no list is provided of those who refuse honours; the only reason the public find out is because the intended recipient makes the matter known.
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Old 14 Jun 2015, 17:57 (Ref:3550398)   #3
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I do not forget that Nigel Mansell could deserve a knighthood, too...
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Old 14 Jun 2015, 19:00 (Ref:3550426)   #4
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No. Patrick has spent years and years and more developing, researching, planning, running a Team with Sir Frank. Nigel just drove one of the best Williams cars ever..
God, thinks.....
This would also mean Sir Lewis....no no no no no please, no.

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Old 14 Jun 2015, 21:57 (Ref:3550495)   #5
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Sir Alan Jones first, surely.
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Old 15 Jun 2015, 01:54 (Ref:3550572)   #6
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Sir Alan Jones first, surely.
Now there's an idea!
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Old 15 Jun 2015, 06:36 (Ref:3550623)   #7
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There's also been a lot of campaigning by Surtees fans (note: not by the man himself) to get him a knighthood or point out the injustice. This won't help with such formal protocols around the Honours list.

Maybe if we stop asking and shut up for a couple of years, it may just happen.
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Old 15 Jun 2015, 12:30 (Ref:3550722)   #8
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Old 15 Jun 2015, 12:31 (Ref:3550723)   #9
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Noticed today that Patrick Head has received a knighthood in the latest Queen's birthday honours list.
Although well deserved for Patrick Head, one wonders how John Surtees the only man to hold world titles on 2 and 4 wheels can be overlooked for the same honour to add to his MBE & OBE.
Not wanting to take anything away from Sir Patrick Head and congratulations to him, yes, what about John Surtees?
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Old 15 Jun 2015, 14:23 (Ref:3550756)   #10
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Perhaps an online petition would help
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Old 15 Jun 2015, 15:40 (Ref:3550772)   #11
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No. Patrick has spent years and years and more developing, researching, planning, running a Team with Sir Frank. Nigel just drove one of the best Williams cars ever..
God, thinks.....
Nigel has driven various of the best Williams cars: not only the FW14B but also the FW11, FW11B and FW14 proved him as a title contender. He also won with the FW10 and the FW16B!
His career is fairly more than his 1992 F1 campaign (alas, 1993 IndyCar one). So I'm not so skeptic about his chances to give him a knighthood...
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 04:28 (Ref:3551008)   #13
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You would have to wonder why Bernie Ecclestone has never been honoured either?.
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Old 16 Jun 2015, 06:43 (Ref:3551029)   #14
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You would have to wonder why Bernie Ecclestone has never been honoured either?.
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You would have to wonder why Bernie Ecclestone has never been honoured either?.
There's only so much bribery money to go around
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I don't think the controversy over the British Labour party's policy on tobacco sponsorship has helped him any.
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I don't think the controversy over the British Labour party's policy on tobacco sponsorship has helped him any.
The world of football might be able to get away with it, but the British really don't think that it's playing cricket to use bribes in sport. If the deal hadn't been uncovered and publicised in the media, then it is not behond the realms of possibility that BCE would have received a peerage. As it was, the Labour Party had to return the 2nd million that he "donated" as it was acknowledged that it was given on condition that the Government (Labour run by that time) continued to allow tobacco sponsorship for F1.

It has never been made clear whether Labour returned the first million or not!
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no disrespect but i must admit i dont see the relevance of these honours versus purely secular awards based on quantifiable achievement.

its not my tradition so i guess i dont get it, but John Surtees won a world title...does he need an investiture to validate that accomplishment?

to what end does a title serve?

Lewis Hamilton seems to use his to act like a proper knight...which in historical terms means dressing in the most garish and foppish way imaginable...which, it must be said, is something he excels at.
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I think its because John won WCs on 2 and 4 wheels..
But I agree with you...
The "system" needs updating here. There are many many people that go unrecognised here after spending a lifetime doing good deeds for others.
The same as in all parts of the World. Some lovely people about...
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Nigel has driven various of the best Williams cars: not only the FW14B but also the FW11, FW11B and FW14 proved him as a title contender. He also won with the FW10 and the FW16B!
His career is fairly more than his 1992 F1 campaign (alas, 1993 IndyCar one). So I'm not so skeptic about his chances to give him a knighthood...
Yes, but surely if it was to be offered, it should have been years ago. Why would it be offered now?
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FWIW, djinvicta, many good people get recognised:
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I agree Adam, they just dont get the same media coverage.
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Just scanned over the first 118 pages..
No Lewis H..
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No Lewis H..

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