Zero Tolerance

Wrex · 13 Jan 2004, 11:09 (Ref:836441)

Just so your warned, my fello F1 mods and I are getting a little tired of some of the rubbish posted lately.

The off-season is usually a nice quiet time for us. We can relax and recharge the batteries so when the new season comes, we are on the ball so we can continue to try and make this the best F1 forum for everyone.

However, the behavior of late of a few members, has been deplorable. Posts have been edited, threads have been closed, and a couple have been suspended or banned.

Not good enough.

Thread hijacking is worse than ever, and the rubbish thrown in (Anti-Michael, Anti-Juan, Anti- Ferrari, Anti-whatever) that has nothing to do with the thread topic is becoming irritating.

So, the F1 mods will be adopting a 'zero tolerence' policy until behavior improves. If your post as a BS comment in it that has nothing to do with the thread, your entire post will be deleted. We wont be warning you first, editing the bad bit out, or ignoring it. Your post will just disappear.

Added to this, we are tightening up on flame bait and unnesessary driver/team bashing. The same procedure will apply.

Having just removed a 'Ferrari/FIA cheat' post from the Mclaren wing thread (irrelevant???) its getting tiresome.

We will keep a list of all members that need this applied, and if we find you are giving us too much work, you'll be looking for another forum.

If your unsure about any of this, please feel free to PM me or the other mods.

Happy off season

Your friendly F1 Mod team.

BSchneiderFan · 16 Jan 2004, 00:11 (Ref:839810)

On the whole, I was entirely in agreement with Wrex's comments on behalf of the moderators. However, I was somewhat dismayed to find the thread itseld closed, and therefore next to impossible to discuss.

Don't get me wrong. I get as tired as the next man of a thread suddenly becoming an opportunity to have a go at Jacques Villeneuve, Ferrari or whatever. And I have noticed in recent times that threads have become excessively personal.

However... however, it is, surely, a fine line between flagrantly off-topic posts, on the one hand, and the natural and organic development of a thread on the other. One of the joys of message-boards - for me, anyway - is that one topic can lead perfectly logically into another, quite unexpected one. I would hate to think that the actions of a few hotheads who can't confine themselves to arguments and resort instead to ad hominem attacks could stifle the free exchange of ideas on a board like this.

Thoughts?

Wrex · 16 Jan 2004, 00:25 (Ref:839825)

BSchneiderFan, from past experience we've found that when an annoucement is made, discussion of it tends to lead to either conflict, complaints, or attacks on the mods. Thus, it is usually 'locked'.

I'm happy to leave this open for now, as I think it's not just the mods that are tired of it, but many members as well.

slicktoast · 16 Jan 2004, 02:50 (Ref:839920)

In the school system I work for they have zero tolerance too but, no consequences! I'm glad that's not the case here.

**Adam43** · 16 Jan 2004, 09:11 (Ref:840096)

BSchneiderFan topics developing is something that is allowed. Take the Spa Bus Stop thread. It has lost the original point, but we can always start another thread. The development posts in it are interesting and new to the forum.

However most 'off topic' rambling concerns those few topics that are always discussed. You know the ones I mean! We try to discourage that, because if we didn't every single thread would end up being on a bar room brawl the same (boring) topic.

That is not to say that these points can't be discussed, just that they shouldn't be discussed in every thread. A similar situation applies if the forum becomes flooded only with threads with the same intent.

Kicking-back · 16 Jan 2004, 13:02 (Ref:840295)

EDIT

Thank you Kicking back, that comment (attacking another poster) is precisely why we dont open this annoucements up to discussion.

Wrex

jhansen · 16 Jan 2004, 21:21 (Ref:840906)

I'm all for zero tolerance and trust the mods will administer it fairly.

What I don't understand is the point that threads must stay on topic. Sometimes topics lead to other discussions (sometimes directly related, sometimes not) and I don't see how that is a bad thing. If they lead to bashing or pointless bickering then I understand the closure of a thread and I'm all for that. But if the tangent is a natural extension of the discussion, why is not ok to go off topic? Thanks for any comments.

Knowlesy · 16 Jan 2004, 21:26 (Ref:840912)

I think the mods let you stray off topic, it's only when it's either WAY off topic or something like "Jerez 1997, I hate TGF, blah, blah, nonsense" when the thread is actually discussing Silverstones car parks!

Kicking-back · 16 Jan 2004, 21:27 (Ref:840913)

More an observation than an attack, but point taken.

**Peter Mallett** · 16 Jan 2004, 22:11 (Ref:840972)

I'm one of the worst for finding a tangential point. I make no apology per se. However I do realise that it can be annoying so I resist as much as possible. Then again. JV. Isn't it time............ Aaaaaaaaaaaaargh nooo Wrex, I''m sorry, it won't happen again!!!!!!!!

**Adam43** · 16 Jan 2004, 23:01 (Ref:841040)

If a topic brings up a new point that occurs to you then there is always the possibility of starting a new thread. Especially when the original thread is still new.

Most threads are just left to develop. Maybe if it develops enough and it is easy and clear to do so the thread will be split. However some topics (yes those ones) will obviously destroy the thread and are also irrelevant. When this happens we will mention it.

I think there is a distinction between thread hijacking and off topic.

Wrex · 17 Jan 2004, 01:15 (Ref:841125)

Maybe I should have been a bit clearer. This will be applied on a case by case basis.

We apreciate the fact sometimes threads 'naturaly' take a different direction. If they develope that way and the thread starter and participants seem to be happy with it we probably wont do anything.

What will not tolerate, is an excuse to bash (who/what-ever) or a blatent thread hijack.

We will be looking for :

- Threads that are page 3+ that have the same 2 or 3 members arguing the same points over and over and over again.

- Members who seem to have a 'history' of adding these little 'spitefull' comments.

- Comments that have nothing to do with the thread

- Spillage of an argument from one thread to another.

Its like this. We dont want to have the most members, or the biggest forum. As far as can recall, Craig never has. We want the best forum.

If that means make life unpleasant for those that disrupt the site, consider it done. Some may even need to ask themselves if Ten-tenths is the forum for them.

If you here for meaningful discussion and will respect the opinion of others, congratulations, you are home. If you love to argue, hate some drivers and teams, and will use any opportunity to say so, please check www.google.com. I have no doubt you can find another F1 forum where the rules are alot easier than here.

Note - Kicking back, its not that I did'nt agree with you (believe me), just not the time and place to say so.

avsfan733 · 17 Jan 2004, 01:41 (Ref:841134)

BRavo Wrex et al! It has become rather evident as of late it has always seemed to go in cycles based on a few people. But rules enforced tight for everyone is the only, and definitely the best way to go about it

ljakse · 17 Jan 2004, 08:30 (Ref:841309)

I support (with zero tolerance

) idea of deleting posts that go off topic (not that I never made any of those

) for one simple reason - the 'developed' thread might turn into something completely new&interesting which might be missed by people who didn't participate in original thread 'coz they found it uninteresting.
So, IMHO, it's better to open a new thread - everyone will see it.

Knowlesy · 17 Jan 2004, 13:31 (Ref:841535)

I guess I just tested the zero tolerance policy out....oops.....

Sorry Wrex! I'll be careful, don't hit me! Please!

ralf fan · 17 Jan 2004, 16:43 (Ref:841647)

good WRex!! a lot of threads seem to deviate from the original topic which is annoying. (at times i myself am guilty). so good to see that youll be taking strict measures to keep up the quality of the forum!

Mark Webber · 18 Jan 2004, 01:10 (Ref:842004)

I'm all for it Wrex

Liz · 18 Jan 2004, 03:07 (Ref:842048)

Could you go over to the Champ Car Forum and make the same announcement?

Gt_R · 18 Jan 2004, 10:30 (Ref:842214)

Quote "I'm all for it Wrex"

May i say..me too!

nippy · 18 Jan 2004, 20:38 (Ref:842646)

ME 3

DNQ · 19 Jan 2004, 10:04 (Ref:843105)

Good rule. As some might have noticed, I don't post here on ten-tenths as much as I used to it, and some of it's because of this very reason. Cheers Wrexy

**Bononi** · 19 Jan 2004, 11:41 (Ref:843158)

It's good to see how many support this action.

What about the rest...

BootsOntheSide · 19 Jan 2004, 11:54 (Ref:843161)

Definately a good move. I enjoy ten-tenths more than any other forum, because the quality of debate is so high, with so many knowledgable intellegent members constructing logical intersting debate and many genuinely informed practcial suggestions. Certain members have a habit of dragging this down, and more control is needed.

deeks6 · 20 Jan 2004, 04:46 (Ref:843553)

As long as we can still have a giggle...

Sodemo · 20 Jan 2004, 18:37 (Ref:844369)

Have I been a good boy chaps?

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