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Old 24 Aug 2012, 10:44 (Ref:3124025)   #181
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Hey guys - I know I could be a bit late with this one, but I would like to contribute this photo of Mark Hales in the TDR RS1600T at Silverstone in 1987: hope it can be of interest to the thread.
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Old 25 Aug 2012, 09:15 (Ref:3124445)   #182
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I have just found a race program where Mark is writing about why its hard to drive a RS Turbo in the BTCC.... and mentioning his rival Richard Longman in his Datapost Turbo..

Who now has his 44 car as he is setting it up back to full race spec, having just under gone a extensive restoration.
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Old 25 Aug 2012, 09:34 (Ref:3124455)   #183
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NICE ONE..
I have just found a race program where Mark is writing about why its hard to drive a RS Turbo in the BTCC.... and mentioning his rival Richard Longman in his Datapost Turbo..

Who now has his 44 car as he is setting it up back to full race spec, having just under gone a extensive restoration.
Why did he say it is had to drive? I am curious! Is it because of the turbo lag in that era?
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Old 25 Aug 2012, 09:48 (Ref:3124463)   #184
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Why did he say it is had to drive? I am curious! Is it because of the turbo lag in that era?
he writes saying the engine is very fradual, too much boose and it goes bang, no enough, poor quallies, getting the revs right to keep the power throughout a corner, and the temp in the car is very very hot! burnes his bum..lol as exhaust exit under drivers seat..
Richard has confirmed all that... but his car was a little more refined, so he says... which could be right as Richard did better than Mark in that period. (but Richard had Fords backing + Royal Mail) which was a huge budget.
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Old 25 Aug 2012, 10:57 (Ref:3124481)   #185
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he writes saying the engine is very fradual, too much boose and it goes bang, no enough, poor quallies, getting the revs right to keep the power throughout a corner, and the temp in the car is very very hot! burnes his bum..lol as exhaust exit under drivers seat..
Richard has confirmed all that... but his car was a little more refined, so he says... which could be right as Richard did better than Mark in that period. (but Richard had Fords backing + Royal Mail) which was a huge budget.
Oh yeah, the 1.6 RS engines weren't exactly the best engines Ford made... Especially in that era with low compression engines and lag prone turbo's, so I can see his point...
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Old 25 Aug 2012, 17:48 (Ref:3124672)   #186
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I remember when they first started using the Mark 1 RST in Irish Prod Saloons the CVH's were constantly letting go and rather bizarrely they were constantly shearing front stub axles and sending wheels into the scenery. I think they eventually solved the stub axle problem but the cars were definitely quite fragile. Just to contra that though, didn't Mike Smith win the Willhire 24 hours in one
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Old 25 Aug 2012, 18:03 (Ref:3124678)   #187
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Yes Ford over come the weak front hub, by having a thicker dropped forge hub.which was machined with thicker wall sections, a 909 part number, all the 16i racers had them and S1's, I have a few new ones in stock, from when Richard L was clearing out his workshops. as for weak CVH... only if it was set up wrong, again Mr Longman had that sorted both 16i and Turbos towards the end
Think you are Right Mike Smith did win the 24 hours, but in group N format, group A much more aggressive (double the power potential)
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Old 30 Aug 2012, 11:07 (Ref:3127318)   #188
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I used to own an ex RED rs1600i, reg HMB 344X

It was allegedly the ex Louise Aitken Walker version and clearly had had a lot of work done to it.
I rallied it in the late 80's before selling it. I was talking to the chap that now owns it at the weekend and he has done a great deal of research and has proof that it is indeed the car that Malcolm Wilson used originally, HPU 73Y. He's traced the holder of the original logbook and is hoping to reunite car and paperwork.
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Old 30 Aug 2012, 17:48 (Ref:3127502)   #189
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Yes I know who you are talking about, I think the paper work and car has been reunited, as I was involved in the process, in fact I was offered the sister car from the keeper of the paperwork. but price was an issue, as the asking price was more than I thought it was worth, bearing in mind its a massive restoration + big money to do it correctly. I would still do it if the was right, as it would make a super car, and more usable that the racers, ie use on the road
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Old 30 Aug 2012, 18:18 (Ref:3127513)   #190
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Yes I know who you are talking about, I think the paper work and car has been reunited, as I was involved in the process, in fact I was offered the sister car from the keeper of the paperwork. but price was an issue, as the asking price was more than I thought it was worth, bearing in mind its a massive restoration + big money to do it correctly. I would still do it if the was right, as it would make a super car, and more usable that the racers, ie use on the road

Well it had not been done on Sunday so you may be slightly wrong!

Its been verified by photos etc. Eg it was the only car with an ally gearlever knob and there is a small cutout on the underside of the bonnet which 74y doesn't have.

I used to use it on the road occasionally, it was a hoot. I got rid of the fuel injection (it was pants) and ran it on 2x weber downdraughts. Went like stink.
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Old 30 Aug 2012, 19:10 (Ref:3127535)   #191
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have to say the keeper of the documents, (MW if you know him) I think he took offence at my offer and since gone to ground, be about a year now, as I purchased the Datapost 44 car in stead, about a year ago was when I offered my thoughts to MW, so going on what you have said, he has obviously not taken my advise.
Would it be Steve your mate? I have pictures of this said car as it is now..
you took off the injection system.. I put it back on the Brooklyn car, just to keep originality, it was on 4 45 carbs before, but on the injection system its a beast... Chris Hodgetts was clocked at 140.3 on Hanger Straight.
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Old 30 Aug 2012, 22:38 (Ref:3127658)   #192
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have to say the keeper of the documents, (MW if you know him) I think he took offence at my offer and since gone to ground, be about a year now, as I purchased the Datapost 44 car in stead, about a year ago was when I offered my thoughts to MW, so going on what you have said, he has obviously not taken my advise.
Would it be Steve your mate? I have pictures of this said car as it is now..
you took off the injection system.. I put it back on the Brooklyn car, just to keep originality, it was on 4 45 carbs before, but on the injection system its a beast... Chris Hodgetts was clocked at 140.3 on Hanger Straight.
I took off the fuel injection as it needed a lot of sorting. one injector was faulty and back in those days it was hard to sort. made it lots quicker on carbs. Had the head done by a close friend. It seemed a shame to put it back on the car, it was an object of art.

Piper supplied me with a range of cams FOC. we eventaully ran with a full race one, but the car ran like a shopping version it was so tractable.. Had 130 bhp at Harry Ratcliffes rollers

Had the viscous diff serviced at FF developments. With no power steering it needed arms like Popeye to get through tarmac single venue chicanes at places like Oulton and Aintree.

Was a regular class winning/top 5 car on 13" wheels. I used to run on 2nd hand Avon f3 tyres which were fragile but cheap or Michelins when funds allowed.

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Old 14 Sep 2012, 20:16 (Ref:3136063)   #193
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After 27 years, the Datapost race cars reunite
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Old 15 Sep 2012, 14:17 (Ref:3136301)   #194
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That's a nice sight! All you need now is a Datapost transporter....

(at the risk of going massively off-topic, how did RL and the Datapost team travel to meetings- was it a full-on transporter, or a trailers behind Transit vans job? I'm sure I've seen a paddock shot somewhere which has what looks like a Transit Luton van in Datapost colours in the background behind the cars...)
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Old 23 Sep 2012, 16:02 (Ref:3140386)   #195
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What a fantastic sight mate!
Great!!
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