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Now about the race.
Good Clean race, good driving standards. Except LMPC in all the classes had close finishes, no fireworks but good competition. Cadillacs, they are on a different level to the other prototype teams. In reliability, speed and crew work. Antonio GarcĂ*a last stint was fantastic and gave the number #3 the victory. Corvette racing team again was perfect in the pitstops. Mercedes AMG GT3 performance, good car. Neutral LMPC, nobody noticed they were there for the good and for the bad. Acura, they have a decent package and good drivers. Now is time to speed up those beautiful NSXs. Bad The non Cadillac prototype teams, they need to improve a lot, especially the Mazdas. BMW in GT3 and GTLM GT3 Porsches didn´t had their best day. Additionally, Jordan Taylor´s CV is looking really good. Overall victory in Daytona, Sebring, Grand Am champion, Petit and class win in Le Mans. |
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I like it, there are a few brutes to consider too. The BMW 4.4 and Bentley 4.0 twin turbo V8s, the Aston Martin 6 liter V12 and the Mercedes 6.3 V8.
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I'm working from memory here which I recognize can be dangerous. It seems I remember that between the Roar and the 24 there was an adjustment for a wing on the Caddies. I recall that the original specs had been classified as a 'typo'. After the typo in the specs was "corrected", it seems the Caddies starting kicking butt.
What was this 'typo' and what was its effects? It seems a typo in BOP can have dramatic effects. |
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A close finish does not make a good race. No, I didn't miss the 24, watched probably 20 hours of it and definitely all of the last 3 or 4. GTLM is never a point of contention. The P class is, guess you didn't catch that from my post.
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Cadillacs have been kicking butt from the beginning.Wtr and axr are well sorted and funded teams with good drivers that have had their cars for almost half a year.it will take A pro team of same caliber with a sorted car to go up against them,Am teams with unreliable cars and slow drivers will be no match. I was reading sportscar365 post race notebook today,and looks like rebellion had three alternator failures before retirement.which also happend to be the issues they had at Daytona.how is that allowed to happen so many Times? Its unacceptable at this level,hopefully it allows rebellion to be unbeatable in wec. Last edited by Lagunaseca_4life; 20 Mar 2017 at 02:21. |
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As much as i would love to see it happen, FCA wouldn't allow Dodge hemi engines, they would probale green light Alfa Romeo instead.
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I don't see why not,cadillac nor dodge are direct competition to Alfa.plus what does Alfa has to offer in North America besides a sedan?id imagine if fca wanted to get Alfa involved in racing here in North America, it would more likely look to put the giulia in Conti series or PWC.
Why not Audi or Porsche,Penske and joest are rumored to be looking for manufacturer programs.the relationships are there,also what's to happen to Michael shank after the nsx program is over? Hpd to dpi would be nice,he has the relationship. |
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Isnt Alfa position in the luxery segment? I know FCA is pushing Alfa to be the next big thing and has been look at some racing programs like DPi cars or Indycars. Dodge target audience is the Nascar crowd.
Audi is might not want to anymore after diesalgate. Honda and Penske are just rumors for now Porsche with Joest would be the biggest coup if it ever happed Ford might come back, after Chip wins everything, maybe rebrand the V6 Ecoboost as a Lincoln lol. |
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My bet for a new DPI, is... Hyundai.
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For sure IMSA are now realizing the FUBAR scenario they have put themselves in by allowing such a big displacement engine (6.2L) compete with a standard engine (Gibson V8) which has approx 50% less capacity.......banning the 6.2L V8 is out of the question for me , IMSA just need to chip away at reeling it in with BOP, the options are: 1) Additional weight 2) Smaller restrictions 3) Torque sensors on the axles 4) fuel flow restrictions 5) RPM limit. I'm not a fan of 2) smaller restrictors as this will not limit the low down torque......I feel supported by yesterdays result.........I originally favored the 5) rpm limit, but in hindsight I think the 3) torque limit versus axle speed, via axle based torque sensors will do the job, I believe this is already done in some forms of GT racing......it would be a low-cost fix and avoid a political and public bomb-shell from IMSA which would risk losing a valuable manufacturer........crucially IMSA need to agree an axle torque curve limit from low speed to high speed........not just a peak torque limit, as this would subsequently limit the low-down torque characteristic which the 6.2L has in abundance. Cadillac could just fix the issue with engine mapping. |
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you can add ballast, you can cut power, but you can't cut Nm from the engine!
anyway during first stint caddys weren't fast enough to catch neel jani on oreca/gibson... guess that if gibson engine will improve reliability, it would be a balanced competition afterall. The real deal should be the entry of ford and/or HPD with their turbo V6 |
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Aaaahhhh...BoP, Shmee-o-pee. (Boogity, boogity, boogity. Let's race IROC boys!)
'Don't have to worry about equality of cars; just put x amount of numbered balls in a hat and the number you draw is your finishing position. Just think of it...same luck and you don't have to spend all that money on building and non-developing a silly racing car. Good for green, more land for shopping centers, condos, whatever. More contests can be conducted per hour. A win-win-win. No wonder Roger has his reservations...he desires to prove who's best but your penalized if you do. Wonderful auto racing allright.... |
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Manufacturers that pay a fee can slap some stickers on "their" cars so they look like their brand. In BoP racing the best still find ways of improving their vehicles (as they should), only to be "BoPed". The racing is not controlled by the efforts of the entrants, it is controlled by those that do the "balancing". |
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I feel like people are just forgetting what they saw at the start of the race. Rebellion led, the caddys weren't getting by him easily, and right behind the caddys the Nissan were lingering close by. The top 8 or so were hanging close until reliability bit them. That looks about right to me. Caddy is the most reliable. Yes, the fastest too. So what? The others showed they could compete. Pressure the caddy guys and maybe a mistake will be made. Stop screwing up every pit stop or blowing engines or having boost problems or putting amateur drivers in. You know, develop......
Limiting torque sounds like an incredibidly bad idea. Even with bop, you don't want exactly the same performance characteristics. Let caddy have a torque advantage but let turbos have a top speed advantage or something if you must. But it the big 6.2 liter torquey v8 can't have a torque advantage that it is built to have then we might as well run spec p2 engines. It's not imsas or caddys fault that the other teams and engines aren't reliable enough. I just can't see how anyone who saw the racing in the first hour or so before they started dropping like flies could possibly think more "balancing" should be done. A professional team with a professional driver was leading. A lesser professional team with professional drivers were right behind the caddy. It was pretty Damn even. |
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I agree that the BoP was actually Right for this race. The Cadillacs were the better cars and they showed it. And yes, the torque advantage couldn't be overcome ... but every team made its choices, and had to perfect what they chose. Cadillac did the most testing, did the best development, and possibly picked the best of all options for power plants ... no reason to punish them. As for the race.... I thought it was excellent. The cars look good, they sound good, they race well, and from trackside are as good as anything I have seen except maybe Sebring and Petit when Peugeot and Audi were involved. I am sorry for everyone who didn't enjoy Sebring this your ... but I admire your work ethic. it must have taken great dedication to keep hating after 12 great hours of action. |
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I was one of those arguing about the BoP at Daytona, but for this race I think the BoP was ok. If there was an advantage for the Cadillcas it was a well deserved one and not an ocean of advantage as we saw at Daytona.
However, I don't see the point about discussing BoP until the non Cadillac cars will be able to run for more than two hours without breakdown. The level of malfunctions makes the teams looks like amateurs. They have to address that serious problem of electronics soon. By the other side Gibson have to revise the starter issues. |
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I mean, I get it, we have to bop I guess. But what we had at Sebring is just about right. It just so happens the fastest car is the most reliable this time, rather than intersport or Dyson scooting off at the start just to blow up. Its what makes Mazda so comical. They detune it and run a slower pace to last till the halfway point lol. If you're gonna blow, at least tune it up and lead early and go out in a blaze of glory lol. |
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Something about that yellow livery looks beautiful. It looks simultaneously classic and modern or something. I was enjoying it competing. I hope it can some more, at least until a pay driver drops them out of contention. (they do have one, don't they?)
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