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Super Hans is saying anything I would want to say, except that Kimi's the least troublesome team-mate anyone could have, so I don't see RobKub having a problem there. I think they'd combine well together.
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Raikkonen making way for Alonso was like Schumacher making way for Raikkonen. Ferrari like to have a superstar in one seat and Massa in the other. I don't think they necessarily believe that Massa is better than Kimi.
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Plus keeping Massa was very much a loyalty move after Hungary.
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Perhaps they don't, but then over the two and a half seasons they were team-mates, it's fair to say that Massa comfortably had the better of him for one and was matching him before Hungary last year. Raikkonen didn't stomp all over Massa in the way that we've seen Schumacher, Alonso and Hamilton do to team-mates in recent years. And I'm dubious about the idea of him as one of 'the greats'. He won his only title because his rivals were too busy squabbling with each other to notice him. Admittedly he and Ferrari called everything right in the second half of the season, but it was a gift from McLaren.
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The evidence would lead us to believe that they did. Schumacher retired out of contract... Kimi had to be bought out of his... in essence Kimi was fired from Ferrari.
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slight exaggeration maybe but it's team kubica and that'll be even more apparent next season when he's had a real opportunity to influence things from start to finish. (anyone in doubt of the way that kubica is a hardcore driver should seek interviews with renault personnel that mention the guy. there was one on autosport.com in particular a few months back that made me respect the way that petrov has handled the season. edit to add - this one here in particular) Last edited by bella; 14 Sep 2010 at 16:12. |
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I wouldn't call that firing because of a lack of talent Kimi is one of the most talented boys we've seen recent years, it just sucks that he lacks motivation from time to time |
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Indeed. But you wouldn't buy a Bugatti Veyron if you couldn't get it to start for half the year, so why would you employ Kimi Raikkonen if his head is only in the game for half a season?
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Is there a *holding one's head in despair* smilie? If so please insert here.
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Meh, not fussed. After a year out of F1 and no experience of driving with full tanks, Kimi will be rusty I believe. He wasn't really that good in the last few races of his career in '09, and I think with rallying and Formula One being two completely different ends of the spectrum in terms of racing, he won't be keeping Kubica awake at night. The team have already admitted they aren't exactly swimming in money, so hiring Kimi would be a needless risk in my view. Petrov's improving all the time, and I feel it's important for F1 to have a Russian driver in the sport. You only have to look at the surge of interest in Russia to realise what an impact he's had. Kimi's a kad been I'm afaird. I'll probably get flamed by Kimi fans now. |
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Appologies. Typo. *Had been.
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How about Kimi to Renault and Petrov to Lotus together with engines.
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I dare say that if Renault do let Petrov go, Bernie will make sure he's looked after. After all, hasn't he been making noises about a Russian Grand Prix? |
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What? He was driving exceptionally well with a real dog of a car, Ferrari said that he actually drove quicker than what was possible with that car in several of the races, for example at Spa. You have to remember that the 2009 Ferrari was a really bad car, and that they stopped developing it halfway through the season
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I don't think anyone would claim that Raikkonen is the greatest ever. I rate the guy as high as anyone, but even I'd have to admit that he's no Alain Prost.
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most races before the accident, they were quite equal on pace
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That's one of many reasons why Massa's accident was a real shame - we didn't get to see how he fared against Raikkonen over another full season. If he had beaten him again, would people still clamour for Raikkonen's return, I wonder?
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