What would YOU do to 'Spice Up' Supercars?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

and i reckon we need more points for the top 3 to increase the fight for a podium

Do you think the issues that led to the current flat points system no longer exist?

HRT domination seemed to be the issue of the day, and the championship not going down to the final event...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Do you think the issues that led to the current flat points system no longer exist?

HRT domination seemed to be the issue of the day, and the championship not going down to the final event...

the issues are still there, but to be honest that wasnt an issue for me then,

2014 didnt go down to the final event either with the current system.

I just think that encouraging people to fight for more points might spice up the race.

Todays race a great example of where more points may have encouraged some genuine passing attempts in final laps.

[leothedrummer]

I don't think it's about the points, or even a lack of wanting to make a pass. These cars are just so evenly matched that there is nearly no opportunity for a move to happen.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

I don't think it's about the points, or even a lack of wanting to make a pass. These cars are just so evenly matched that there is nearly no opportunity for a move to happen.

maybe sometimes, but not always, Im of the opinion that, in at least some cases, the point gain is not worth the risk

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by peckstar

I just think that encouraging people to fight for more points might spice up the race.

It is possible, I mean both Ingall and Kelly's championships were not universally liked for the boring way in which they won, but you can only play to the rules as they sit.

Originally Posted by leothedrummer

I don't think it's about the points, or even a lack of wanting to make a pass. These cars are just so evenly matched that there is nearly no opportunity for a move to happen.

It is always risk vs reward. Soft tyre has created difference which have defintely spiced up the racing.

[leothedrummer]

Originally Posted by Mixer

It is always risk vs reward. Soft tyre has created difference which have defintely spiced up the racing.

Agree. More (non aero) grip is always a good thing IMO.

[porsche91722]

More manufacturers ..... Oh wait....I think there's a category that has that now.
Am and pro drivers racing together .............. "
therefore creating more passing ...................... "
A mix of sprint & endurance races throughout the season......"
Real Supercars, not 4 door family cars .......... " (they should get done for false advertising)
O/S Teams & drivers that could slot straight in ........ " (imagine their showcase event, the Bathurst1000 with more than 26 cars)
A fan friendly TV broadcast ........................... " (ditch payTV, put it on a live YouTube channel & back to fta TV)
Less shonky "entertainment" rules ................... "
There's a lot more that could be done to fix it, like aero and tyre rule changes but after watching yesterdays processional, boring race, they'd only be polishing a turd, to change the existing or any future variances of the cars they are racing now. Unfortunately for the series, they are now in the TV doldrums, where 2 men and a dog are only going to be watching it, until later in the year.
A few fanboys on a forum and some dodgy TV ratings PR releases ain't gonna change the bleedin' obvious.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by porsche91722

Less shonky "entertainment" rules ................... "

Oh really?

How do pit stops work in AGT?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

and i reckon we need more points for the top 3 to increase the fight for a podium

How about, as per Bernie, Gold medal for first, Silver medal for second, Bronze medal for third, most golds at the end of the year wins the championship? (silvers etc.. used in a tie-break). Afterall, as mentioned on the telecast today, the only team not to get a podium this year in Erebus, so its not as if there would be people with no chance.

I agree with your point completely though.

Originally Posted by Mixer

How do pit stops work in AGT?

Any GT3-style series that "took over" from Supercars (not that i see it happening) wouldn't be run as a pro-am, so therefore the AGT pit stop rules would be a non issue......

...the only issue would be minimum fuel drops and minimum pit stop numbers at Bathurst...

[velly4]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Oh really?

How do pit stops work in AGT?

The difference is, that isn't created for entertainment reasons due to the series being basically a privateers competition. Its about giving AM drivers of varying performance a chance.

Supercars has a huge advantage in all drivers being of a very high standard and in the right car pretty much the entire grid could win races.

GT3 on the other hand is opposite. Every car has a chance of winning but the drivers do not.

A full blown professional GT3 series in Australia would be very very different. Safe to say you would not have one or 2 teams dominating the way they do due to different cars suiting different circuits

[velly4]

Originally Posted by Woolley

After that, it's more to do with making it harder to stop someone passing, and that's down to the rules. I'd be very happy to go back to the days where if you stuck your nose into a gap you've earned the right to a car's width of road and it's up to the guy outside to leave you sufficient space. Gets rid of all of this nonsense about someone being turned around because 'the other guy wasn't far enough alongside'. The laws of physics say that if he's inside, however little, he's going to be still there at the corner anyway, so you may as well frame the rules to reflect that. Hopefully the result is fewer collisions and more passing, or more exciting defences of passing attempts.

While watching the races on the weekend I thought of this post a lot. Plenty of times where drivers pulled out because they knew the driver in front would just turn in.

[Woolley]

We used to call it 'a good move'. You'd managed to brake later so you could get your nose just inside the back corner and that meant the driver in front had to leave you space. This then moves the overtaking battle to the middle and exit of the corner which is pretty exciting stuff - especially pre-traction control.

Far superior to the current system whereby the guy on the brakes is committed, so when the guy in front turns in collision is almost inevitable. One car spins, the other is penalised, the race is ruined. Or else the guy behind doesn't try and you end up with processional racing. It's not the cars, it's the rules.

And now in F1, apparently you don't even need to wait for the corner, you can just move over on the straight if you've cocked it up. Puts both cars out of the race, but hey, it's just a racing incident and probably the fault of the guy who had the temerity to think he could try to overtake a slower car in a straight line. Hate to think where that decision is going to lead. I suspect us marshals will be pulling a lot of junior drivers out of the wreckage before long if that gets universally accepted.

[Mosport Fan]

My current opinion of the racing is fine- the races are a decent distance, qualifying rules are good, tyre formula seems to work from what I've seen so far this season.

Off the track is what needs to change in terms of rules & politics (yes, I know, easier said than done).

For me, the next gen should be like the Trans Am Series in North America- with the variables being controlling the amount of technology in play. T/A is mainly V8's as it is. The bigger classes are admittedly silhouette-based, but that doesn't mean the same approach needs to be done here- you could use Mustang and Camaro bodies and chassis without really tube framing it. I know there's 5 classes in T/A now, but again you don't need to follow that formula here to a T.

It's just my 2 cents- I know some might agree and some will disagree....but I think that might be helpful in keeping interest in the series (considering the pull out of Volvo, Ford etc). Seems to work over there, why not here?

[mayhem]

I dont mind your idea, but will the manufacturers stop teams from using the body shapes as it appears Ford have said they will do if the proposed Mustang is used in VASC?

As an aside I'm actually not entirely sure how car companies can do that but it seems like racing a car without consent is treading on rights to intellectual property?

[chavez]

Prohibit the changing of tyres at the same time as refuelling.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by chavez

Prohibit the changing of tyres at the same time as refuelling.

can you explain to me how that would spice things up?

Seems a bit of the opposite in my mind, but maybe im missing something

[chavez]

Originally Posted by peckstar

can you explain to me how that would spice things up?

Seems a bit of the opposite in my mind, but maybe im missing something

Sorry I wasn't very clear.

During a pit stop tyres can can only be changed after refuelling is completed.

Teams will then need to decide whether the extra time taken to change tyres will be able to be made up with the new tyres. The same as the WEC and other endurance series.

Moving to only two tyre changers would probably be necessary to slightly lengthen the tyre change time.

[velly4]

Originally Posted by chavez

Sorry I wasn't very clear.

During a pit stop tyres can can only be changed after refuelling is completed.

Teams will then need to decide whether the extra time taken to change tyres will be able to be made up with the new tyres. The same as the WEC and other endurance series.

Moving to only two tyre changers would probably be necessary to slightly lengthen the tyre change time.

I was thinking the same thing. Adds another variable to strategy.

Teams would really have to weigh up the pros and cons

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by chavez

Sorry I wasn't very clear.

During a pit stop tyres can can only be changed after refuelling is completed.

Teams will then need to decide whether the extra time taken to change tyres will be able to be made up with the new tyres. The same as the WEC and other endurance series.

Moving to only two tyre changers would probably be necessary to slightly lengthen the tyre change time.

Very much the sportscar method, it works well.

[Armco Bender]

Don't really think some circus act in the pitstops will help,you may as well get each driver to shear a sheep while the tyres are getting changed if you want more excitement.

[dirtymacca]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Don't really think some circus act in the pitstops will help,you may as well get each driver to shear a sheep while the tyres are getting changed if you want more excitement.

That would give the Kiwis a problem........

[Casper]

A minimum of a 900HP and a decent diff. Oh, and let 'em rev to 9000 as well. That brings up another curly issue for the future, different motors what are they going to do about the stupid rev limit they now impose.

[chavez]

Burnouts allowed at any point in the formation lap. Creeping allowed at the start as long as you don't go outside your grid box.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Casper

A minimum of a 900HP and a decent diff. Oh, and let 'em rev to 9000 as well. That brings up another curly issue for the future, different motors what are they going to do about the stupid rev limit they now impose.

Horsepower and rev limit isn't going to improve the racing, everyone will be the same effectively.

Diff could make a difference, but skeptical its going to be a huge difference.

[Deleted]

Non spec tires.

Development Series cars allowed to run in the 1000, for as many as grid can hold. In case of dev entry overflow there would be prequalifying. All of those Dunlop cars would be categorized as "Class 2" entries but would obviously still be visible in overall results.