Holden Local Manufacturing... GONE!! (Merged)

[Casper]

What relevance has this or the Ford thread got to do with racing cars on Australian and international circuits beyond commenting on the lack of an Australian produced car so that its production name can be affixed on a similarly shaped race car? Will there be a similar thread when Volvo and Nissan move on? Will the sun rise in the west due to the lack of a Falcon or Commodore? Nothing more to see here.....

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Try this mate:
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/vo...xes-71053.html



So synthetic oil has been causing all of the failures, mineral oil is a permanent long term fix, but enough damage may have been done to gearboxes to require replacement.

Also, only affects the 7-speed gearbox, has never affected the 6-speed.

Also interesting to note Ford's DCT has had precisely the same sort of faults and now has the same bad reputation, but no recall as yet...

I wonder what the owners of the 7 speed DSG cars who had gearbox replacements scheduled for this week at a leading Sydney VW dealer might say about oil being the only issue...

[Casper]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

I wonder what the owners of the 7 speed DSG cars who had MECHATRONIC UNITS????? replacement scheduled for this week at a leading Sydney VW dealer might say about oil being the only issue...

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Very few if any complete boxes are involved in the 7 speed recall campaign. BTW what relevance has a DSG post got in this forum. If I started a thread on DSG's I would have retribution heaped on me by a mod.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Casper

Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story. Very few if any complete boxes are involved in the 7 speed recall campaign. BTW what relevance has a DSG post got in this forum. If I started a thread on DSG's I would have retribution heaped on me by a mod.

Gearbox replacements dont have to be a part of the recall... and arent in these cases...

[Casper]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Gearbox replacements dont have to be a part of the recall... and arent in these cases...

Don't shift the goal posts, you are not good at it. Are you addressing the relevance of DSG's being discussed in this forum, the whole damned thread is verging on that.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Casper

Don't shift the goal posts, you are not good at it. Are you addressing the relevance of DSG's being discussed in this forum, the whole damned thread is verging on that.

That's my fault, we started off discussing alternative cars to the Commodore and Falcon and ended up on a tangent.

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

That's my fault, we started off discussing alternative cars to the Commodore and Falcon and ended up on a tangent.

I like the tangent, keep going.

[Woolley]

Originally Posted by bluesport

I like the tangent, keep going.

Good name for a car, that is...

Whole thread has nothing much to do with anything other than the Australian's not being prepared to visit the road car forum where this really belongs. We have a choice of moving it there or just ignoring any off-topic discussion on the basis that the topic doesn't really exist as it can't be here.

I vote for the latter as it saves me having to read it.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Good name for a car, that is...

The problem with the Holden Tangent is it never goes where you point it!

I'm here all week, try the veal!

[Woolley]

I remember the great Dave Allen doing a piece on how car names should represent the vehicle more accurately. I seem to recall the Vauxhall Insipid, the Triumph Unreliable...

[Mixer]

$437m loss posted by Toyota on the back of shutting down their operations:
http://www.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...626-zsmub.html

If not for the shut down they would have booked a $266m profit (without transfer pricing...).

The Japanese get a sniff of a loss, they REALLY know how to clean house.

[Racenut]

Not just the Japanese, Holden and Ford both did the same thing. They are milking the tax system (and our tax dollars) for as much as they can get. You dont have to be an accountant to see they are cooking the books.

Just goes to show, they dont care about Australia they care about themselves.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by Racenut

Not just the Japanese, Holden and Ford both did the same thing. They are milking the tax system (and our tax dollars) for as much as they can get. You dont have to be an accountant to see they are cooking the books.

Just goes to show, they dont care about Australia they care about themselves.

Businesses are not charities, so yes they have to care about themselves or else they go out of business and there is no company. I think people have this view that businesses just exist to provide jobs, but really they exist to provide goods and services people want at a price they can afford or want to afford. Jobs are a side benefit of that.

With a mix of an expensive business climate, regulations, taxes and high exchange rates, it's no surprise that the end was going to come. And not without warning either. But even with the government propping them up they still couldn't make it. Ford Oz and Holden haven't made any real money for years and Toyota I believe had some losses as well.

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by mountainstar

Businesses are not charities, so yes they have to care about themselves or else they go out of business and there is no company. I think people have this view that businesses just exist to provide jobs, but really they exist to provide goods and services people want at a price they can afford or want to afford. Jobs are a side benefit of that.

With a mix of an expensive business climate, regulations, taxes and high exchange rates, it's no surprise that the end was going to come. And not without warning either. But even with the government propping them up they still couldn't make it. Ford Oz and Holden haven't made any real money for years and Toyota I believe had some losses as well.

That's not strictly true. Ford and Holden have been profitable, although not every year

Toyota has been an incredibly profitable company over many years. The current 'losses' are accounting methods rather than a drop in sales.

[mountainstar]

Originally Posted by eduardo1

That's not strictly true. Ford and Holden have been profitable, although not every year

Toyota has been an incredibly profitable company over many years. The current 'losses' are accounting methods rather than a drop in sales.

I'm well aware that at times Ford and Holden turned a profit, but the losses far outweigh the gains.

Toyota I thought had lost some money too at times.

In any case these companies did not see the future benefit versus the expenditure required, so now they are gone.

[275 GTB-4]

Big spike of V8 sales for both Fraud and Folden lately...

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

Big spike of V8 sales for both Fraud and Folden lately...

Not a V8 but my daughter just bought a Territory diesel, it's a seriously nice car.........wouldn't know it is a diesel.

[Umai Naa]

Yeah, the Land Rover motor is a peach.

[fomoco]

The replacemnt for the Commy may come from Germany, THe Opel, considering the commodore was built on the Opel Rekord , just turned a full circle :

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=o...gbv=2&oq=&gs_l=


http://www.couriermail.com.au/busine...-1227040283285

[bluesport]

holden could close early:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/de...-1227022876801

[Henry]

Originally Posted by bluesport

holden could close early:

http://www.news.com.au/technology/de...-1227022876801

they STILL want to extort that $500 mil out of the government, eh? First it was "pay us $500 million or we shut down", and when they got called on that it's become "pay us $500 million or we'll shut early".

Every man and his dog always said they'd be lucky to last any longer than Ford… and I laugh at statements like "Holden is working on a significant facelift of the Colorado"… they'll sell whatever they're given to sell! Same as everybody else, the difference being that the Holden parent company and cars carry different badges.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Henry

they STILL want to extort that $500 mil out of the government, eh? First it was "pay us $500 million or we shut down", and when they got called on that it's become "pay us $500 million or we'll shut early".

Read the article mate.

The Government had already committed this money which was used to get parts suppliers to invest in equipment. The current Government has reneged on that promise, and Holden is campaigning on behalf of the parts suppliers, to get them what was already given to them, in order to get them to invest.

[Henry]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Read the article mate.

The Government had already committed this money which was used to get parts suppliers to invest in equipment. The current Government has reneged on that promise, and Holden is campaigning on behalf of the parts suppliers, to get them what was already given to them, in order to get them to invest.

Well ain't my face red? Lol, time for a script change on the glasses methinks.

[kittle]

Holden to sack 300 engineers

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by kittle

Holden to sack 300 engineers

Actually or seriously as the wife says, it is not Holden sacking them, it is GM Detroit. GM wanted to shut down the Holden branch a few years back. But the Govt kept promising money , when the one of the worlds biggest car manufacturers couldn't run their own business. They tried the old if you don't help we will close down and put your aussies out of work.

Krudd a Dillard where to **** scared to make a stand,(read unions) and bowed, we will give you xxx millions of Aussie tax payers money to stay open.

Simple fact of life, Fraud and just Holden together were on their last legs, no amount of hard earned tax payer money would save them, when the F-wits who ran the company into the ground where AMERICANS.

Rule one in Australia, DO not trust an AMERICAN business. for Example Apple, their new phone a few hundred yankee green backs, same phone here $1000.00 plus Aust dollars.

DO AMERICANS REALLY THINK AUSTRALIA hasn't hat a gutful of there crap,

Look at the price of the Fraud Ranger built in Thailand, no price drop, supposedly cheaper to build there than here, yet Fraud usa, STILL CHARGES THE SAME PRICE OR MORE , FOR THE Aust built version.

GM admitted that they wanted to shut Holden down , Unfortunately, to many ppl get emotional about this.

Look at the price of the replacements from Both Fraud and Gutless Motors( read we will still rip you off)

Why bother with these to organisations , the quicker they are out of Aust , the better.

If we had a decent Govt, they would say" go now and we will nationalise all you assets , land holdings etc , and the Australian ppl will benefit from the sale , not some F&#@*( up American business ******s)" but that would be dreaming