2010 Formula BMW Pacific - Page 3

lastgasp · 30 Jan 2010, 11:41 (Ref:2622203)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

hear pain in ur comment only. i hav right to dislike.
explain:last year acxil jeffreis ( eurasia) and steal guilana (atlantic) was formula bmw junior drivers - why one got title fight and the other smash in the back?

Just like to comment on your opinion. When looking at drivers' performances you have to look at the whole picture. Axcil Jefferies appeared to have a good budget as he was testing in the Eurasia car from at least early December 2008. He certainly done miles and miles of testing at Sepang through January, February and March of 2009. In fact he had probably done more than a season's racing mileage!

Guiliana, on the other hand, struggled with budget over and above that he was receiving from BMW. Therefore he did not have the luxury of miles of testing when he arrived at the first race, consequently, he spent best part of the racing season actually learning - something that Jefferies had already done by the time he arrived at the first race.

Nevertheless, Jefferies was slightly quicker than Guiliana in the Scholarship trials in 2008 so would have expected him to run in front of Giuliana.

I think if you look at the qualifying times for the last Macau race you will also find that Guiliana was not too far behind Jefferies indicating that he was further into his learning process.

Guiliana certainly needs another year in Formula BMW Pacific and would probably be reasonably competitive.

But please, before you comment on drivers' performances, which could be potentially quite damaging to their careers, please gather all the facts.

Any more news of driver signings for 2010??????

dragster · 30 Jan 2010, 13:38 (Ref:2622252)

It is always difficult judge drivers not knowing their team and budget background.

Up to know I have seen several lists of drivers-teams line up, but who has real signed so far for the Championship and who will be in Sepang ?
All is quite these days...

driftwood · 30 Jan 2010, 21:24 (Ref:2622489)

For yr info
Axcil did have some BMW money but he wa snot "laoded" dad worke dhis butt off to get the money for kid to race and getting money out of Zimbabwe is not easy but i can tell you b end of the year the father was skint and owed some money to the team for the last 2 races and accident damage so he was not one of the well funded drivers. The father has thrown all he could muster for his sons racing

OK he had early testing and may have use dhis budget up by doing that BUT is that not the "Unfair advantage" that Mark Donohue wrote about in his book?

petergriffin · 30 Jan 2010, 23:35 (Ref:2622537)

testing cannot and is not a luxury and has to be most important consideration in budget as a child (which they are) is being put into a 230kmh projectile and asked to go as fast as thye can most straight fm kart racing. it is not only for the child's safety but for the safety of the other children around him/her that adequate testing/practice is done. so parents who ask their child to race without adequate testing are not really being responsible if you ask me.

bothfeetin · 31 Jan 2010, 05:38 (Ref:2622617)

Lam Pak - you are 100% right with the pain - there are two reasons - one is that I read your unqualified and under educated comments; second is that what Lastgasp wrote is so true.
Axil or Steel? Eurasia or Atlantic? Filipino mechanics or Canadians? What will this discussion bring? What I know is the same what Lastgasp knows - money was a definite issue right from the start with Steel; Axil for sure had the advantage to run in Sepang for more than most of the kids last year - that for itself counted for at least 4 good races and points. Furthermore - Eurasia also allowed Axcil the benefit of their 2. Junior -albeit in his 2. year. Steel on the other hand - signed with Motaworld, handed over to AOS for the first 2 races; then Motaworld made a deal with Atlantic (the team Lam Pak does not like as they did not offer him a job perhaps?) and only !!!! Motaworld engineered his car; coached him etc...Atlantic merely gave the car, mechanics and support...and carried the financial burden too. So, Lam Pak now you know the facts and you can start again with more fiction so that I can have a good laugh when logging on to this site.

Youngsters shall not be allowed to get into the cars without testing? I am not sure but, yes but, the regulation in FBMW disallows ANY driver without prior experience in a Monoposto/car. All had been driving Monopostos before - yes perhaps not for long but they had!

bothfeetin · 31 Jan 2010, 06:12 (Ref:2622622)

Driftwood wrote: For yr info
Axcil did have some BMW money but he was not "loaded" dad worked his butt off to get the money for kid to race
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Seems only to be the normal way racing kids get into racing....and I think we all (racing fathers that is) work our butts off to make the impossible possible. BUT, and here I always wonder, why then, if the money is so tight, is daddy traveling with the driver kid?
I certainly did not as it was
a) useless to be there;
b) would only be in the way of the team;
c) too costly for another transportation ticket, hotel bed, restaurant food and so on; when
d) the team could and would take better care of the driver than we parents would do; AND
e) the kid most likely would become an adult much faster without the parent hanging around and watching, criticizing and trying to tell the kid not to drive too crazy as it costs money when bad things happen.

So - why then owing money to teams when some could be spend more prudently?

driftwood · 31 Jan 2010, 10:44 (Ref:2622687)

I cannot see any parent not attendinga arce meeeting with his kid
1 for support
2 keep eye on things he is after all paying for it all!
3 i agree the fathers are often the biggest problem to a team and need to be locked out of garage yet to hear of dad helping! more often the achilles heal and how many fights with fathers occur from karting !

petergriffin · 1 Feb 2010, 13:22 (Ref:2623654)

any news abt testing last week? who tested? who fast?

total3d · 2 Feb 2010, 06:47 (Ref:2624205)

Suprisingly uneventful testing last week. not many drivers running.
Meritus had 5 cars at the track, but ran only one driver. Mango/Pacific has their one car+driver testing, while Eurasia had 5 cars and 5 drivers testing, including the 3 drivers that they have signed. The Petronas/Mofaz drivers were at the track, but were not in FBMW's. They spent time in road cars, and at a drift school before the testing (apparently).
Not sure on times, or who was quick, but there were three quick Eurasia drivers from what we saw. The other drivers were about the same pace, but not as quick as the three Eurasia drivers we were timing.
The cars are all being prepared for the next testing which will be in 1-2 weeks time, and from what Ive heard, there will be a large line-up of drivers this time round.
So the best news will come out of the next test session.

petergriffin · 2 Feb 2010, 13:40 (Ref:2624396)

thks total3d. feb testing sessions shld be grweat then. hope weather is kind to all.

driftwood · 2 Feb 2010, 14:34 (Ref:2624433)

Sir it sems someone has stolen some of the keys from your keyboard
or do you have a Pitmans short hand keyboard?
have you reported this theft to the police

**gomick** · 3 Feb 2010, 10:37 (Ref:2625582)

Calender yet?

lastgasp · 3 Feb 2010, 11:41 (Ref:2625620)

Quote:

Originally Posted by total3d

Suprisingly uneventful testing last week. not many drivers running.
Meritus had 5 cars at the track, but ran only one driver. Mango/Pacific has their one car+driver testing, while Eurasia had 5 cars and 5 drivers testing, including the 3 drivers that they have signed. The Petronas/Mofaz drivers were at the track, but were not in FBMW's. They spent time in road cars, and at a drift school before the testing (apparently).
Not sure on times, or who was quick, but there were three quick Eurasia drivers from what we saw. The other drivers were about the same pace, but not as quick as the three Eurasia drivers we were timing.
The cars are all being prepared for the next testing which will be in 1-2 weeks time, and from what Ive heard, there will be a large line-up of drivers this time round.
So the best news will come out of the next test session.

I understand that Motaworld have 3 cars on their way to Sepang and will be testing in early March.

total3d · 3 Feb 2010, 11:43 (Ref:2625622)

No confirmed calendar as yet, but I posted the provisional calendar a few posts back. its 90% confirmed, just have to wait for the Korean track to be approved for F1 and AFOS, and the confirmation of Macau GP

petergriffin · 4 Feb 2010, 05:37 (Ref:2626139)

1. Provisional Formula BMW Pacific 2010 Calendar.
Please be advised that the provisional calendar for Formula BMW Pacific
2010 is as follows:

Date

Country Circuit Races

1 – 4 April Malaysia Sepang Int. Circuit (F1) 1 & 2
13 – 16 May Malaysia Sepang Int. Circuit (AFOS) 3, 4, 5 & 6
26 – 29 August Korea Korean Int. Circuit (AFOS) 7, 8, 9 & 10 *
23 – 26 Sept. Singapore Marina Bay Circuit (F1) 11 & 12
21 – 24 October Korea Korean Int. Circuit (F1) 13 & 14 **
17 – 21 Nov. Macau Guia Circuit (MGP) 15 ***
* Subject to the homologation of the circuit.
** Subject to change and the homologation of the circuit.
*** Subject to a Commercial Agreement with the organisers.
At this stage it has not been possible to find an appropriate solution to the
gap from May to August. Understanding the time pressure and budget
restrains within the marketplace it has therefore been necessary to restrict
the Formula BMW Pacific calendar to six events as in past years.
Dates for the Introductory Test and remaining Official Tests will be published
in the New Year. The Introductory Test will take place at Sepang
International Circuit during March.
Issued by:
Mark Turner,
Series Manager
Formula BMW Pacific
Date

23 December 2009
Subject Team Info 29-09

Juntos · 7 Feb 2010, 07:39 (Ref:2628385)

Don't they go Shanghai together with DTM? Might be more funny to race in Korea by themselves. Don't mend what ain't broken.

jambirchy · 9 Feb 2010, 19:52 (Ref:2630129)

James Birch has sighned with motaworld 2 race in pacific

dragster · 9 Feb 2010, 21:14 (Ref:2630182)

Quote:

Originally Posted by jambirchy

James Birch has sighned with motaworld 2 race in pacific

Has he test yet in Sepang ? Who knows last testing results?

bothfeetin · 10 Feb 2010, 00:50 (Ref:2630314)

Well, that's terrific for them to announce a driver not yet talked about in the Pacific.

Any idea when he will test or will he just come for the 2 races? Has he signed other drives?

So Motaworld has their container now in Sepang? Things shaping up for the better!

Not or better, unlike the Zhuhai sh.t - pretty bad there - still no cars!
Hope really that they f..k themselves there and a new operator and customs deal can be reached in time for a decent series!

What's going in ZIC with Champ? Heard they run to secure cars for FBMW - 3 or 4 even! The guy from the USA must be happy to rent out some of the ex-Gelles pieces of junk he bought for his kiddies to peddle around ZIC. But then - by now the cars should be in fine shape!

Atlantic - no sign of them - in ZIC - saw an announcement that they opened shop there -scared now after all this customs bs? Any comments?
They did not test in Sepang?
Or do they test in Europe, now that they have oodles of money from their sponsor?

What is ART doing? Will they enter Pacific? Same AO ?

Lam Pak · 10 Feb 2010, 10:33 (Ref:2630511)

very unpolite bothfeetin.
u can be a little rude and judgemental to a few people sometimes. champ motorsport is one best teams in asia. in Macau Guia Circuit's macau grand prix on 19th-22nd Nov,2009, champ motorsport race in Macau Formula 3,FIA World Touring Car Championship and Formula BMW Pacific . jim ka to, the 25 year-old Hongkong driver, represented champ motorsport to race in Formula BMW Pacific and he was 4th beating handsome teams like atlantic, aos and other. champ motorsport formula bmw aare state of art and driver say in the end car was perfect. if you are overly sensitive to slights and thoughtless u wont understand what i mean! champ motorsport has plan to race formula bmw pacific and hav best offer in asia. many teams dont cope with it.

dragster · 10 Feb 2010, 17:54 (Ref:2630763)

Always difficult to judge a team and to be too much negative it is not always correct not knowing all facts.

Where are all drivers that should have run FBMWPacific 2010 ? Who is testing ? Look like was interest for a while...now all quite.

sequentialbox · 11 Feb 2010, 00:30 (Ref:2631070)

lam pak you re my hero, please dont forget to polish your champ stickers tonight lol...

total3d · 11 Feb 2010, 00:31 (Ref:2631071)

Most of the 2010 drivers are testing in Sepang at present. Testing continues until next week sometime. I heard the air temp is around 40-50 degrees celcius at the track. so lap times wont be great.

Juntos · 11 Feb 2010, 07:16 (Ref:2631205)

Off topic

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lam Pak

jim ka to, the 25 year-old Hongkong driver, represented champ motorsport to race in Formula BMW Pacific and he was 4th beating handsome teams like atlantic, aos and other. champ motorsport formula bmw aare state of art and driver say in the end car was perfect.

Lam Pak, you gave me a laugh for a day. FYI, guidance and use, Jim Kato race for the first time in Macau Grand Prix in 2002 (ndr: Asian Formula 2000 Challenge). Facts speak louder than words. In 2002 most of 09 Formula BMW Pacific drivers were less than 10 years old. Kato or Ka To has been (expelled) driver of Red Bull junior team, Asian Formula Renault champion and it was his second attempt in Formula BMW at Macau. Meanwhile you should ask your folks at Champ why Jim Kato skipped the first Free Practice at the last Macau Grand Prix. Ok, I tell you: your inspiring team couldn't fit the engine on time.

petergriffin · 11 Feb 2010, 08:03 (Ref:2631223)

meritus columbian driver tunyo fastest with eurasia bradley 2nd fastest and mango racing mun shi third fastest. other eurasia guys all very close behind as well. tunyo time 2.12.55 and tue best time 2.11.9. looking very competitive for the season.

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