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Old 26 Jun 2017, 06:13 (Ref:3746876)   #376
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Why do they need HSV then?
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 06:59 (Ref:3746879)   #377
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Perhaps they should disappear from motorsport immediately, so the teams know exactly where they stand?
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 08:10 (Ref:3746889)   #378
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Seems to me like they're getting it very, very wrong here. By all means appeal to a different demographic but turning your back on existing customers makes no sense at all.
Surely the smart move would be to work out how to keep existing customers and then add heaps of new customers from a wider demographic range.
Turning your back on existing customers means building the whole thing up from scratch - not easy.
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 10:23 (Ref:3746914)   #379
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Wonder what the residents of Werribee/Mt Druitt/Logan think of this new stance?
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 10:29 (Ref:3746916)   #380
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 10:33 (Ref:3746919)   #381
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Wonder what the residents of Werribee/Mt Druitt/Logan think of this new stance?


It's ok there's plenty of other cars for them to break into
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 13:00 (Ref:3746955)   #382
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Seems to me like they're getting it very, very wrong here. By all means appeal to a different demographic but turning your back on existing customers makes no sense at all.
Because they don't have permission to import any of the (excellent) Cadillac, Camaro or Corvette performance products to sell to said buyers... so what can Holden bosses in Australia do?

The products exist, they are good products but they are forbidden fruit. So that's all fine and dandy, it is what it is.

They can make a HSV Colorado and HSV Astra, and that's about it.
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Old 26 Jun 2017, 13:02 (Ref:3746956)   #383
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Perhaps they should disappear from motorsport immediately, so the teams know exactly where they stand?
It has worked well enough for Ford Australia, no appreciable loss in sales by quitting direct support for racing (or developing new models etc). So Holden could do that. Why Nissan are hanging around racing a car they don't even sell anymore doesn't make sense either, so they might give it away too.

Warburton would put a positive spin on it, no doubt.
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Because they don't have permission to import any of the (excellent) Cadillac, Camaro or Corvette performance products to sell to said buyers... so what can Holden bosses in Australia do?
Permissions is not the issue, they are not made in RHD!
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 00:33 (Ref:3747146)   #385
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Because they don't have permission to import any of the (excellent) Cadillac, Camaro or Corvette performance products to sell to said buyers... so what can Holden bosses in Australia do?

The products exist, they are good products but they are forbidden fruit. So that's all fine and dandy, it is what it is.

They can make a HSV Colorado and HSV Astra, and that's about it.
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Permissions is not the issue, they are not made in RHD!
Spot on Mixer - it's the current lack of RHD architecture that is the problem. V8 F, one approach they could take to at least try to hang onto their existing customer base might be to tell everyone that they definitely will have Camaro or Corvette or Caddy here in (say) 2019. That way, existing owners might hang on for those cars, rather than going and buying something else during the information vacuum from Holden.

It's a tactic that's been used by car companies before (Ford did it with Mustang IIRC) and works well - by not using that tactic, existing customers go off and buy another brand, rather than holding off to get a look at the new product coming down the pipe from their existing brand.
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 05:02 (Ref:3747184)   #386
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Permissions is not the issue, they are not made in RHD!
Same thing! It's the USA saying "these are NOT for you, you Australians".

If they wanted to sell them in Australia, they would make them in RHD from the outset, wouldn't they? But they have decided these cars are not for Australia.
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Same thing! It's the USA saying "these are NOT for you, you Australians".

If they wanted to sell them in Australia, they would make them in RHD from the outset, wouldn't they? But they have decided these cars are not for Australia.
Would anyone seriously bother with a RHD conversion for <1,000 cars a year?
Surely that's a market the likes of PerforMax or ASV would be best suited for?
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 12:13 (Ref:3747270)   #389
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Would anyone seriously bother with a RHD conversion for <1,000 cars a year?
Surely that's a market the likes of PerforMax or ASV would be best suited for?
HSV have been consistently building and selling around 4,000 cars per year, Holden considerably more than that in V8 configuration. Let's say that between them the potential from the existing customer base might be 8,000 - 10,000 cars per annum. Makes a business case for a number of importers and by the sound of it on the next generation of those vehicles GM is going RHD compatible with its architecture.

Ford did so with the current Mustang and it seems to have paid off for them here.
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Old 27 Jun 2017, 12:37 (Ref:3747279)   #390
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There is a bit of a stigma attached to RHD conversions, surrounding the overall quality of the conversion, and understandably so. I've seen some pretty rough converions in my time.

I'd prefer a car built as a RHD over a conversion any day of the week.
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Same thing! It's the USA saying "these are NOT for you, you Australians".
If they wanted to sell them in Australia, they would make them in RHD from the outset, wouldn't they? But they have decided these cars are not for Australia.
Or Poms, or Japanese, or Kiwis, or South Africans, the country that invented the Perana Capri.

Ford obviously had an RHD rethink in designing the 2015 Mustang, and I think they are doing pretty well with it for a niche model. GM however are behaving like ostriches.

I'm sure I remember (a couple of years ago) the local head honcho of GM saying we will get an RWD V8 delivered here in due course, but they could/would not reveal what it would be. My assumption was Cadillac, but the CTS-V would probably be well over double the cost of a current 5 litre Mustang, and the ATS-V coupe looks like the TT V6 only.

I'm thinking GM V8 lovers might be in for bad news unless the next gen Camaro is made RHD ex factory.

It seems like Holden is prepared to sacrifice it's performance market and heritage (and the Mustang proves that the equivalent Ford market is live and well) for the new age buyer more interested in connectivity and less interested in driving, handling and performance.
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When will GM drop the Holden nameplate?
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When will GM drop the Holden nameplate?
When GM can take a bath on the goodwill write off?
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When will GM drop the Holden nameplate?
At some point. Promoting the obscure brand "Holden" instead of the mighty and famous "Chevrolet" is most peculiar.
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It should have died with the Commodore.

The dealer network should've then been given the option to re-brand to Chevrolet, or walk from GM altogether.
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Or Poms, or Japanese, or Kiwis, or South Africans, the country that invented the Perana Capri.

Ford obviously had an RHD rethink in designing the 2015 Mustang, and I think they are doing pretty well with it for a niche model. GM however are behaving like ostriches.

I'm sure I remember (a couple of years ago) the local head honcho of GM saying we will get an RWD V8 delivered here in due course, but they could/would not reveal what it would be. My assumption was Cadillac, but the CTS-V would probably be well over double the cost of a current 5 litre Mustang, and the ATS-V coupe looks like the TT V6 only.

I'm thinking GM V8 lovers might be in for bad news unless the next gen Camaro is made RHD ex factory.

It seems like Holden is prepared to sacrifice it's performance market and heritage (and the Mustang proves that the equivalent Ford market is live and well) for the new age buyer more interested in connectivity and less interested in driving, handling and performance.
I think the Mustang was easy because it uses a version of the Jaguar S type platform
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I think the Mustang was easy because it uses a version of the Jaguar S type platform
Not sure if you're right on that one.
Jaguar S Type was built on Ford's DEW98 Platform Linky
The previous gen Mustang was due to built on that platform but that was cancelled and the Mustang-specific D2C platform was used instead Another linky
The current generation Mustang (which we're referencing here) has its own S550 platform 6 gen Stang linky Ford platform list linky
Based on all that, I think you have the wrong info re S Type and Moostang
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Not sure if you're right on that one.
Jaguar S Type was built on Ford's DEW98 Platform Linky
The previous gen Mustang was due to built on that platform but that was cancelled and the Mustang-specific D2C platform was used instead Another linky
The current generation Mustang (which we're referencing here) has its own S550 platform 6 gen Stang linky Ford platform list linky
Based on all that, I think you have the wrong info re S Type and Moostang
I stand corrected as the man said wearing orthopedic shoes!
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