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31 Jul 2017, 16:37 (Ref:3756454) | #126 | |
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Wow, just watched the races through from yesterday. Pretty surprised at some of the driving but even more surprised at the amount of penalties handed out. Only two! Dave Newsham for his attack on Mat Jackson and Stewart Lines, for what looked like a stock car style revenge attack on Josh Cook. Felt bad for Ollie Jackson, driving really well and was just bundled down the order. Shedden half spun him on one of the fastest corners on the track and got nothing! Nice to see Matt Neal get his just desserts in race 3, also looked like he tried to get rid of Sutton at the hairpin at the start of race 3 too.
Such a shame as a couple of years ago (2014/2015) the series seemed like it had really clamped down on driving standards with lots of drivers being given penalties, which seemed to curb the aggressive driving out there. This year we have arguably the most talented grid out there for decades and they just seem to be let loose to do as they please. Even top drivers if not properly refereed will start to think they can push the rules a little further. I'm not just talking about this weekend either. I was really looking forward to this season but I just feel so underwhelmed after witnessing some of the racing this weekend, some of it is just pathetic. How come the Ginetta Junior drivers can manage stunning, close racing without this amount of contact? Anyway, roll on Knockhill in 2 weeks time. I shall be attending, hoping for some more strict enforcement of driving standards. |
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this looks very much a deliberate shunt , nobody behind Lines that could have pushed him (unles she just happen to have a brake problemsbut just when he was behind Cook of all drivers out there.... )
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31 Jul 2017, 17:48 (Ref:3756471) | #128 | |
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also no idea where Cook was going...... there is obviosuly no room to turn into
Shedden was a bit cheeky but credit to him Jackson only lost one place Last edited by porsche962fan; 31 Jul 2017 at 17:55. |
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31 Jul 2017, 17:53 (Ref:3756475) | #129 | |
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Austin/ Ingram I can see why no race penalty Austin was already more than half car lengh inside , Tingram just tuned into him !!!!
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31 Jul 2017, 18:04 (Ref:3756482) | #130 | |
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Austin was pushed by the VW in race 3
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31 Jul 2017, 18:08 (Ref:3756483) | #131 | |
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Neal on Sutton , you can see a perfect legitimate move, a car with available, Sutton just closed the door too late
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well in the highlights other angle, Neal spun himself
to upload photos and by the standings will it be a) reigning champion Sutton b) reigning champion COLLARD (who then does a Rosberg afterwards? ) c) triple champion Turkington d) quadruple champions Shedden the rest are game over but Tingram can still clinch the Indy title best free image hosting site |
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1 Aug 2017, 10:28 (Ref:3756644) | #135 | |
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Without a doubt that's a cars width. You can fit a (very badly copied) car in there. Seems like fair game to me at that point.
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First image is debatable (second image onward, yeah without a doubt), but I think Neal is already over committed by that point anyway and he's either going down the inside, or going into the back of Suttons car hard. So given the situation, chucking it down the inside is probably the better option.
Anyway, a rough pass down the inside has long been celebrated as a great thing in BTCC. Are we arguing it should be non-contact now? Half the grid will be banned by round 3. I'd rather that than he smash into the back of him. |
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Well come on, let's be realistic here. The rule book might well say non-contact, and yet we've just had a race full of contact and what was done about it? Actually, we've had at least 2 decades worth of contact with very few results. The series markets the entire thing on accidents (TV adverts showing cars rolling, intro showing accidents, tweeting the big accidents). So yeah ok, the rules say non-contact but this series has made an audience based on being a partial contact series, and the move that Neal made was no where near as bad as a lot of we've seen.
It's not out of the question! Couple of years ago, IMSA didn't know the difference between all the Porsches and penalised the wrong car twice in a single incident (and never did get the right one in the end!). With stewards like that, you could probably fit another car in the race and run an hour or two before someone said "hey...wait a minute!" |
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Granted Matt Neal is a considerably better driver than me, and granted his Honda is a considerably better car than anything I've ever taken to track in, but I wouldn't consider trying to squeeze myself down that gap alongside Sutton.
Given it's touring cars, and given the damage bills don't cripple him as much as they cripple folk who scrape coins together I can see why he tried it. He's got it wrong though imo. I like Epps, and he's pretty strong in his comments about the driving standards, but it does look like he just fired Austin off from those screenshots. Likewise the Stewart Lines and Josh Cook incident...I refuse to believe it was deliberate, but it certainly looks like poor driving for one of the country's premier championships. The incident between Shedden and O.Jackson looks poorly judged on the former's behalf too. In fact it's not dissimilar to what Newsham got punished for. What I will say however is that the stewards got the Austin decisions right, which I didn't think at first. So credit to them where it's due. |
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I think it's better to have shots like that and analyse each incident, instead just dismissing them all as bad driving standards. Austin can perhaps now not be blamed for hitting Sutton in the third race. However although Tingram did turn in on him in race 1, it looked to me like Austin was going too fast to make the corner anyway
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I'm loving this post race criticism by still images. Unless you start racing you really don't know what you're on about. Post slow mo videos not stills !
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Why, what happened between them?
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