CALLING ALL Post 93 Production Saloons (CTCRC)

[Mike Sheraton]

well this is now looking really really promising!
Some really good things have been said with plenty of interest, which is only likely to grow during the off season
Bring on 2013, without wishing too much of 2012 away

Mike

[ANDY J]

Hi all the regs ror the new CTCRC`s Pre 2005 saloon car series are now on CTCRC home page.
www.classictouringcars.com

Hope to see some new faces next year.
Cheers Andy

[Pure Fiater]

That's a shame MR2's not allowed on the 4 seat rule.

[tim dodwell]

It says on the can: production SALOONS. Seem to remember a MR2 is a sports car?

[Clive Brown]

Originally Posted by tim dodwell

It says on the can: production SALOONS. Seem to remember a MR2 is a sports car?

And a Mazda RX7 is...?

[Dan Friel]

Castle Combe promoted something similar and introduced a "standard" class. Unfortunately it was killed off because Integra Type R's were permitted and no-one would build anything to oppose them...

As I remember Intergra's racing in BTCC Grp N, I assume that they would be allowed in this series?

[historic racer]

Having carefully looked at the regs they appear far too restrictive to me, you would end up with a race car that is slower than your road car. Even if your car comes with a LSD as standard you would have to take it out, where is the sense in that, never mind the cost of doing so. I think this will struggle and that the success of CSCC and MSVR shows where drivers aspirations take them. What do others think ??????????

[ANDY J]

Dear Historic Racer whoever you are how can a car be slower than it left the factory with decent shocks,better brakes, cambered suspension, free air filters and free exhaust systems ?
The no LSD rule means that 90% of entrants dont have to spend up to £1000 having one fitted i know this probably excludes Honda civic`s and Integra`s but we dont want a race series just full of jap cars.
To all who are looking at this series next year we are trying to make a really cheap race series and if after a while we all agree on certain reg changes then we can look at doing that.
Cheers Andy
PS At least we cant be accused of trying to pinch the CSCC cars as some of you implied earlier on.

[STUBBY44]

In principal Andy its a cracking set of regs but in reality most cars racing in other series would need modifying or downgrading to fit in.
That effectivly makes them only able to race in this series.
Personally I think the original CTCRC ethos for car building is spot on with free cams, lsd, bit of this and that which makes a car fun to drive.
Id say trying to run cars so close to production is going to be very expesive to be competitive and difficult to police.
Iv run my car with and without an LSD and tyre wear / handling is a major and expensive issue running without.

Good luck though !

[historic racer]

Originally Posted by STUBBY44

In principal Andy its a cracking set of regs but in reality most cars racing in other series would need modifying or downgrading to fit in.
That effectivly makes them only able to race in this series.
Personally I think the original CTCRC ethos for car building is spot on with free cams, lsd, bit of this and that which makes a car fun to drive.
Id say trying to run cars so close to production is going to be very expesive to be competitive and difficult to police.
Iv run my car with and without an LSD and tyre wear / handling is a major and expensive issue running without.

Good luck though !

My point exactly !!!!!!!!

[yesnomaybe]

just read the regs, it sounds interesting, my car would be have elligible but its a 6 cylinder and the bonnet hinges and original door cards are long gone

good luck with it anyways

[medius]

To be fair, I don't think racers with 10+ seasons on their record are the kind of people the CTCRC is going for with this.

Think of it this way, you could get a 10-12 year old Vectra, Focus, Golf, Audi, whatever, and with not a lot of effort, go racing in a more structured way than open pitlane trackdays are. I love motorsport and I've got no aspirations of taking it up to win a championship, but Post-93 is right on my radar right now as trackdays seem too ''meh'', if I'm on a track I want to be racing, not pootling around and using indicators when Jonny Boxster or Freddy Clapped-Out-3Series comes flying up.

Not everyone that takes up motorsport does it to win some silverware. Thats why we see awesome rarities on track. Take Classic and Historic, go far enough back and you'll know that unless you had a Lotus Cortina, you wouldn't have made even the top 10. Where's the attraction for the speccy? With that championship specifically, we've been treated to spectacular battles this year with a Mini, Cortinas and Anglias right up front, and a wide range of cars throughout the field.

Variety is the spice of life!

[Al Weyman]

At last the voice of reason Medius.

A lot of sometimes quite negative comments have been levelled at this new initiative on this thread, and as I am fully aware if I say something there will be those on here who will disagree but there you go I would still like to add a few points on the regs and subsequent comments.

To answer the comment that many cars that would be legal now wouldnt be, i.e. those with seam welding and fully welded cages etc but so what because a lot of the comments mentioned taking cars away from other championships, well that will clearly stop a lot of that. The series, as Medius so eloquently pointed out is for new built budget races, new people hopefully moving on from trackdays who want to do a bit of overtaking and dicing and to do it on a budget that they can afford. I bet a car can be built for this series sub £2k doing the work yourself and that believe it or not is what a lot of competitors actually enjoy not buying one off the shelf that may well have had the good bits nicked off it then looking silly as you cannot match the previous owners times. Anyone can buy a car ready to go as long as they have the money where is the skill or satisfaction in that, the win at all costs wallet racer will NOT be interested in this series at all. Also I see many rolling shells for sale quite cheaply so maybe that would be a good way to go, then just slot in a standard engine and trans and go racing and if it pops instead of having to fork out £10k for a replacement stick an eBay lump in for a few hundred quid and be back up and running.

The negative comment about no LSD's then someone else saying the Honda Integra will wipe the board, well will it still do that without the LSD nor would any of the other more special hot hatches I would assume and if they don't want to remove the LSD's or cannot then they won't be able to use the model, one problem solved in one ingenous stroke.

Good luck on this Andy J and CTCRC I have a good feeling this may just surprize a lot of people.

[ANDY J]

Hi all just to let you all know we have slightly modified the regs to allow coil over suspension but we are still not letting in LSD`s or any other kind of Locked Diff`s,if this means no Type R Honda`s then so be it.
The CTCRC are trying very hard to make a new easy start up formula,this is not for the seasond racer who wants to come pot hunting.
We allready have at least a dozen cars pladged to the new series so it looks like we might be doing something right.
Cheers Andy

[STUBBY44]

Thats great Andy.
Was talking to a couple of young guys with an Astra at a trackday at Cadwell and they are very keen. Gave them your details.

[womble148]

Looks like a cheap way in,good luck to you all at the CTCRC i hope you succeed with it.

[ANDY J]

Hi all just to let you all know the regs are now on CTCRC home page just waiting on a tyre deal. classictouringcars.com
Cheers Andy

[Stacy]

Full link here;

http://www.csccgb.co.uk/2013_downloa...egs%202013.pdf

[ANDY J]

Hi all just to let you all know our Pre 2005 car will be on display at the Autosport show.
We will have the regs available and club registration paperwork so pop down and see us on the BARC stand.
Cheers Andy

[ANDY J]

Hi all good picture and write up in Motorsport News this week about the new Pre 2005 series plenty of takers so far if you need any info contact me on
andy.johnson@classictouringcars.com

Cheers Andy

[Mike Sheraton]

Can't wait to see how this championship turns out!
Should be a good one, with a good variety of cars too!

[historic racer]

Originally Posted by ANDY J

Hi all just to let you all know we have slightly modified the regs to allow coil over suspension but we are still not letting in LSD`s or any other kind of Locked Diff`s,if this means no Type R Honda`s then so be it.
The CTCRC are trying very hard to make a new easy start up formula,this is not for the seasond racer who wants to come pot hunting.
We allready have at least a dozen cars pladged to the new series so it looks like we might be doing something right.
Cheers Andy

So that translated to five cars on the grid at Oulton, I know one chap by the name of Richard and a friend of his that you turned away, that would have given you a 50% increase in your grid size, but guess you know what you are doing Oh and it was me that steered him in your direction when he said he wanted to switch from trackdays to racing.

[big andy]

the big problem with any ctcrc championship is the barc membership as well as the ctcrc coming out at £260?! which makes them one of the most expensive series out there and with so much competition on the market its easy to see why they are struggling .. Things need to change !!

[R59]

I too was shocked by the low grids in the CTCRC rounds at Oulton.
Too expensive? Too far away from your core of regulars, and let's face it, with fuel at £1.30-£1.50/L, it's an expensive round trip.

Anyone want a copy of the Slick50 Road Saloons or Toyo Tyres Super Road Saloons regs? They worked well. Very well indeed until the BRSCC started to meddle with the concept and killed them off.

That was cheap racing back in the day (thanks Tim)

Too many clubs now, too many championships with similar rules trying for the last penny available. Some have the right idea, some have lost it.

This is why the circuits are able to pull our collective pants down and rape our bank accounts. Sod the sport, make more profit. And spectators - pah! we don't need them any more than we need competitors!!

Let's run another trackday/experience day/corporate day/exhibition, much less hassle.

And the MSA don't give a fig either, just so long as they get their permit fees, and there's Touring Bangers on the telly. Grassroots Motorsport is British GT to them.

[Al Weyman]

Agree with big Andy and have tried hard to change the situation from within but it falls on death ears. Someone in both CTCRC and BARC have to budge on this and format a sub £100 joint membership before its too late.