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Old 14 Dec 2010, 13:58 (Ref:2804342)   #301
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George is just about to start making fuel tank for the Escort out of Ally. I will foam fill after its been welded.The homologation papers say 69 liters so we are making to this volume. Is this all ok???
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Old 14 Dec 2010, 14:06 (Ref:2804344)   #302
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Old 14 Dec 2010, 17:01 (Ref:2804399)   #303
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George is just about to start making fuel tank for the Escort out of Ally. I will foam fill after its been welded.The homologation papers say 69 liters so we are making to this volume. Is this all ok???
Don't believe CTCRC restrict fuel tank size.
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Old 14 Dec 2010, 17:20 (Ref:2804406)   #304
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More to do with the amount of TV I watch nowadays than the programme! Yes, I used to rate it highly. Now am usually to be found reading up on Bosch fuel injection, the functioning of 924 electronic ignition or ordering bits.......
Mike, you should only watch quality programs such as the 'X' factor, then you would appreciate TG. Have to tear nephew Tim away from the X factor, problem is he is an avid fan.
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Old 14 Dec 2010, 18:10 (Ref:2804437)   #305
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Thanks Peter and Mike for the phone call. We will stick to 70 liters as this will work out a nice size and fit in the boot well.Had a great chat with Robyn this afternoon looking forward to going to his place soon to collect bell housing.Getting there slowly but also having a lot of fun meeting new people and learning
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Old 14 Dec 2010, 18:20 (Ref:2804442)   #306
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Mike, you should only watch quality programs such as the 'X' factor, then you would appreciate TG. Have to tear nephew Tim away from the X factor, problem is he is an avid fan.


Why do I not believe you...

Iain, no problem, and reminds me need to check if having race tank in Gp1 car for HTP inspection is OK- when I get round to my Escort!

I see App J in period had fuel capacity limits based on engine size, same as App K, but guess not a problem unless FIA event? 1.6 to 2.0 litres was 100 litres.
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Old 14 Dec 2010, 18:29 (Ref:2804448)   #307
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George is just about to start making fuel tank for the Escort out of Ally. I will foam fill after its been welded.The homologation papers say 69 liters so we are making to this volume. Is this all ok???
Don't forget that the foam robs some of the volume - about 5% if memory serves. You're cutting it a bit fine if you've waited until now to get George started - the 360 is in April, don't forget...
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Told him its got to be at the welders by next monday otherwise im not taking him to have his Christmas Dinner which is on tuesday.Very exciting.
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Old 14 Dec 2010, 19:19 (Ref:2804464)   #309
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Just so everyone knows what we're talking about. George is retired, but comes in to help Iain in the workshop, doing fabrication. Last year Iain put him in charge of organising the Christmas meal for the estate where the workshop is. The first thing George did was to spend a morning making an aluminium clipboard...
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George who is 74 is a very keen Marshall and Kart enthusiast.Last year at the Stoke Row Festival of Speed he set up a little area with his karts and when Ross Brawn came in George made a B line straight towards Ross. I watched all this and thought "O KNOW"he is going to bore him silly. Turns out Mr Brawn was very interested in his historic kart as he had owned one a while back. Good old George.
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Very interesting to see all these Escorts, not sure whether to go for standard or bubble arches on mine, can get a set 'locally' (in Aust!) in steel for $1100 I think, can't see f/glass being a good idea. The car needs at least off-side wing (to use UK parlance) anyway so it's a good excuse! Also front panel etc, I have square headlights and grille but I think round look better and probably work better.

Is there a reason to go either way? Arches & headlights that is.
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Old 15 Dec 2010, 05:54 (Ref:2804614)   #312
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Is there a reason to go either way? Arches & headlights that is.
John, I can't remember if you have a road or race car there. Only problem with bubble arches on road car is having to fit very wide wheels to fill them if using normal width axle. The standard rear arch will take 6" easy and 7" at a pinch so need to be at least 8" (or big spacers!) with bubbles otherwise they look a bit naff. If racing you will be probably be using wheels big enough, but the homologated 'Atlas' axle that started life on German Taunus and Transit is wider and gets over all that. But- It is also heavier, more expensive and difficult to do ratio changes on.

Headlights and front panels. Originally the oblong lamps were on the high spec road cars (incl TwinCam here) as more expensive. Then for RS and Mexico needed more light for rallying so went back to round for those models. Allowed them to fit the Cibie Biode twin reflector lamps that were the ultimate in those days.

For that reason most people go for round as more synonymous with the sporting Escorts. Also the oblong lenses getting rare now, as are the grilles for either shape. If you have good lenses and grille (or want the TwinCam look) maybe stick to oblong. If not sell them on and go for the cheaper option? (But make sure you can find a good grille as well)

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Then for RS and Mexico needed more light for rallying so went back to round for those models. Allowed them to fit the Cibie Biode twin reflector lamps that were the ultimate in those days.
Sudden memory jolt from a long time ago.

I had a 1300GT with the rectangular lights and moved up to a standard road Mexico with the round lights. The difference in lighting was huge. I still recall the first impression of trying out main beam on the Mexico and wondering who had switched the sun back on at that time of night.

Right - back to the topic in hand ....
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I had a 1300GT with the rectangular lights and moved up to a standard road Mexico with the round lights. The difference in lighting was huge. I still recall the first impression of trying out main beam on the Mexico and wondering who had switched the sun back on at that time of night.
There was a bit more too it than that. The Twink, Mex etc had a clever relay arrangement that allowed dipped beam to stay on when main beam was selected. This used a special version of 6RA relay with fuse in between the terminals. Believe only ever application of it and they now command crazy prices on fleabay. At shows AVO members have had to cable tie the fuse cover on to stop it getting nicked.....

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There was a bit more too it than that. The Twink, Mex etc had a clever relay arrangement that allowed dipped beam to stay on when main beam was selected. This used a special version of 6RA relay with fuse in between the terminals. Believe only ever application of it and they now command crazy prices on fleabay. At shows AVO members have had to cable tie the fuse cover on to stop it getting nicked.....

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Ah! Now you come to mention it ....

Sadly I only used the Mex for a few months over a winter before taking a job with a company car attached. So I never really got into the nitty gritty of the thing. But those lights were utterly wonderful.

After a couple of decades of reasonable lights on boring (some more than boring) road cars I bought a VX Senator 24V. Awesome rapid leather lounge with many toys. Including adjustable headlights to go with the adjustable suspension.

The trouble was that no matter where and how they were adjusted I would have been better off with a couple of candles and a Toc-H. The lack of light made 70 hazardous let alone trying for the top speed of at least double that.

I found some higher output bullbs that helped a lot but they just didn't have the abilities of the Mex. (or any of the interevening period) lights despite being attached to a fast luxo-barge. 25 years age gap and luxury vs. budget sports but still some basic needs were lacking.

I assume all German Autobahns were well lit when the Senator was conceived - so lack of lighting at over 160kph was of no matter to the commuters of the day.

That all said Mike, given that only AVO aficionados (or their anoraks) would know about the special lighting set up, does that mean that such people can sometimes be slightly iffy?
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Just by simply fitting a couple of cheap relays on the back of the headlamps with a decent feed makes a hell of a difference on most of the older stuff. Just use the normal wires from the pathetic dip switch to operate them and see the results !
Most of my road vehicles have always used main and dip together
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bloody good simple idea, Dynamo friendly I'm sure!

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Dynamo friendly I'm sure!
What's a dynamo ?
Oh, I did have a Miller one on my push bike .
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I first did that to. '67 Anglia. Made night time driving much better.
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I've got an article in an old mag with a customised ANglia fitted with rectangle headlamps (escort/capri type) wierd, although the bron paint, velour interior, wolfies etc stopped it sticking out quite so much
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I first did that to. '67 Anglia. Made night time driving much better.
So if you converted your Anglebox in 1967 you pre-dated Ford and the Escort. Maybe they nicked the idea from you?

Joe, remember the custom Minis (especially MiniSprint) with oblong headlamps?- when done properly they looked good.
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I worked on a few of those whilst serving my apprentiship in London Mike,we sometimes just finished them off.
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So if you converted your Anglebox in 1967 you pre-dated Ford and the Escort. Maybe they nicked the idea from you?
I was on the bog at 04:45am when I posted it. I meant "I first did that to a '67 Anglia". Not "I did it first".
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