The New Williams Line up - Webber? (merged)

**Peter Mallett** · 5 Jul 2004, 10:04 (Ref:1026490)

JPM complained about kneck pains during the French race, caused by his off on Saturday. I hope its nothing serious but with only a week to the next event is he going to be fit enough? If not then Pizzonia looks like returning to the grid.

Led ZeppF1 · 5 Jul 2004, 10:08 (Ref:1026491)

Bad news. Always bad news. When is good news come to Williams?

alesi95 · 5 Jul 2004, 11:55 (Ref:1026592)

Williams continues it's reputation of being hard on drivers.

Cant wait to see Montoya in a Mclaren.

Raglanparade · 5 Jul 2004, 12:46 (Ref:1026660)

I really dont think they will put Pizzonia in the car. Because that means that they are committed to use Either Gene or Pizzonia until Ralf is better. And i dont think either driver has the skill. Look at the French GP. Webber beat Gene home, and webber was in the crappy jag. I think williams would be better with JV or Giancarlo, or Webber in the seat then Jungle boy who got his ass already kicked by webber once.. or gene who lacks any fire in his belly.

Webber needs to get his backside into that williams

Kicking-back · 5 Jul 2004, 12:48 (Ref:1026663)

Team say Montoya is fit after a check-up in London and he will race.

pirenzo · 5 Jul 2004, 12:51 (Ref:1026669)

I really think just transfering both Jag drivers across would be good. For Webber it would be a similar Schumacher/Rubens sort of arrangement, but I think Klien is pretty good, and the year with Jaguar will have done him good, so then he can be a good side-kick, and some good continuity for both drivers. Klien would be more careful if he had any one of Patrick, Frank or Sam to deal with...

deeks6 · 5 Jul 2004, 13:42 (Ref:1026732)

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Originally posted by pirenzo
I really think just transfering both Jag drivers across would be good. For Webber it would be a similar Schumacher/Rubens sort of arrangement, but I think Klien is pretty good, and the year with Jaguar will have done him good, so then he can be a good side-kick, and some good continuity for both drivers. Klien would be more careful if he had any one of Patrick, Frank or Sam to deal with...

That's actually not a bad idea. Klien looks like a racer and has been the least embarrassed so far of Webber's teammates. He is very young so being the sidekick to Webber is OK, he can keep learning, keep developing and be a long term investment.

Hang on, this is Williams - there is no long term driver!

BootsOntheSide · 5 Jul 2004, 14:17 (Ref:1026775)

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Originally posted by deeks6
Hang on, this is Williams - there is no long term driver!

That's not entirely accurate. This is Ralf's 6th season and Montoya's 4th - the former arguably outstayed his welcome and the latter chose to leave. Mansell chose to leave after 4 years but returned twice, Damon had 4 years, as did Keke, and Patrese had 5. Other than McLaren and the current Ferrari reign (but why sack Michael?), no one else has come close to this.

mark_l · 5 Jul 2004, 14:45 (Ref:1026806)

My votes for Williams 2005 car go to Webber and Gene. Webber's name is virtually on the car already and Gene is already under contract and is relatively cheap.

Sir Frank is famous for his short arms and deep pockets when it comes to driver wages

Knowlesy · 5 Jul 2004, 16:46 (Ref:1026923)

Gene may be cheap but I doubt last weekends performance, or lack of it, has endeared him to the Williams 2005 wish list.

f1manoz · 5 Jul 2004, 16:51 (Ref:1026928)

Get Mr. Webber in that car pronto.

Fondmetal · 5 Jul 2004, 20:42 (Ref:1027241)

here we go again, u talk as if webber is an f1 world champ..he is nothing yet! let wait and till he achieves some poles, race wins fastest lasp till we srat singing his praises! we all know he get btter equipment than his team mates..so that make him look better than he is...

Knowlesy · 5 Jul 2004, 20:47 (Ref:1027258)

Well I'm afraid that won't happen in a Jag fondmetal.

NiceGuyEddie · 5 Jul 2004, 20:57 (Ref:1027283)

I think the jury is still out on Webber. He does seem capable of putting a good hotlap together in the R5, but on raceday he never shines as much. Besides, he has never had a teammate of some importance.

F1Pete · 5 Jul 2004, 21:17 (Ref:1027329)

I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you see JV in the seat later this season. He will probably test the car for session or two and jump onto the grid. At least the season will be salvaged. What do you think?

cds_uk · 5 Jul 2004, 21:24 (Ref:1027343)

I hope so F1Pete, fingers crossed eh.

Teretonga · 5 Jul 2004, 21:37 (Ref:1027366)

I think Webber is good, but really an unproven quantity over a race distance.
The trouble with Mark's position now is that he is one of the brightest of the 'new crop' outside a major team and as such has had alot of buildup. if he goes to a top team like Williams and has a poor year He'll be another'Zanardi' and it won't do his reputation any good at all.
While I think he is good, maybe very good, the jury is still out on whether or not he is as good as Button, DC, Reubens, Montoya, et al.

EERO · 6 Jul 2004, 00:08 (Ref:1027497)

Rumours on Pitpass, a usually reliable site, suggest that EJ is trying to shop hiedfeld to Sir Frank. The cost would be less to take Nick from Jordan than to grab Webber from Jag-and Eddie sure could use the bucks. If JPM is really is injured and cannot race at Silverstone, then Willys is in trouble because of the rule limiting their line up to four drivers. Either they deal fast for Nick or are forced to run Pizzonia and Gene in Britain. Yikes.

Mr V · 6 Jul 2004, 00:10 (Ref:1027499)

EERO, according to kicking-back (i think it was) Williams and/or JPM have confirmed that he has seen a doctor and he will be driving at Silverstone.

Hazza · 6 Jul 2004, 00:41 (Ref:1027507)

Yes, Hiedfeld would be good:
Fast (We asume)
Cheap(ish)
German (Keep a smile on BMW's face)

And plus it would finally put rest to thoose big What ifs we've all had...

F3lollipops · 6 Jul 2004, 01:36 (Ref:1027531)

Webbo and Antonio would make a great pairing in the Williams'

It would also make me very happy to see them there

grumpy1 · 6 Jul 2004, 02:54 (Ref:1027575)

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Originally posted by EERO
Rumours on Pitpass, a usually reliable site, suggest that EJ is trying to shop hiedfeld to Sir Frank. The cost would be less to take Nick from Jordan than to grab Webber from Jag-and Eddie sure could use the bucks. If JPM is really is injured and cannot race at Silverstone, then Willys is in trouble because of the rule limiting their line up to four drivers. Either they deal fast for Nick or are forced to run Pizzonia and Gene in Britain. Yikes.

Two things.There will be no change at Williams this week.(JPM & Gene).There is not enough time to prepare a car for the new driver.
2nd the cost of getting Webber is less than Hiedfeld thanks to the clause in Webbers contract on where the team needed to be after the USGP.Expect an announcement on Webber after the British GP moving to Willie ASAP.

The Grumpy1

mark_l · 6 Jul 2004, 05:13 (Ref:1027615)

Interesting to see Patrick Head back in the garage at the French GP, 2 races away leaving SM in charge and 4 non finishes.

Wrex · 6 Jul 2004, 06:19 (Ref:1027635)

Can someone please direct me to a link where Frank or Patrick have said they want Webber?

While I would guess this is likely (and all the news sites seem to think so) I cant recall reading anywhere that Mark is Williams top pick.

Anyway, I want MW in a Williams, but I think a midseason change is death, especially when you are sitting next a driver as good as Montoya.

And *Shock-horror*, I think Jacques is the man for the job. He is desperate, could'nt make things worse, and the contract could be made on their terms (ie, race by race basis). The we can all see if he still has 'it' in a racing situation.

deeks6 · 6 Jul 2004, 06:30 (Ref:1027642)

Special Attention to the last 2...

http://www.planetf1.com/drivers/driv...ry_16016.shtml

http://www.f1central.net/news/1088493522.html

http://www.auto123.com/en/info/news/...py?artid=25823

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...&oneclick=true

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns13136.html

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