|
| Site Partners: | SpotterGuides | Veloce Books |
| Related Sites: | Your Link Here |
|
|
|||||||||
|
||||||||||
|
|
|||||||||
|
||||||||||
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 09:37 (Ref:622686)
|
#1 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
  |
2004
The first prototype race under the 2004 regs is barely ten months away, yet I haven't seen anyone produce even an artist's impression of what the new cars might look like. How come? Has anyone committed to building one?
|
||
|
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..." 
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 10:32 (Ref:622715)
|
#2 | ||
|
Rookie
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 54
|
don't think that you will see any new chassis' in 2004.... maybe a new engine though
|
||
|
|
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 12:05 (Ref:622787)
|
#3 | ||
|
Team Crouton
20KPINAL
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 39,570
|
With Le Mans 2003 beckoning, I can't even begin to think of 2004......
|
||
|
|
__________________
44 days...
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 13:54 (Ref:622913)
|
#4 | |||
|
Veteran
Join Date: May 2002
Posts: 5,147
|
Yves Courage has said that after the race he'll begin a serious design project, first to determine whether to go with a roof or without. From dailysportscar:
Quote:
|
|||
|
|
__________________
... Since all men live in darkness, who believes something is not a test of whether it is true or false. I have spent years trying to get people to ask simple questions: What is the evidence, and what does it mean? -Bill James
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 14:51 (Ref:622967)
|
#5 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,958
|
I would imagine that you will see at least two new 2004 chassis. From what I have been led to understand, one is testing already.
|
||
|
|
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 17:56 (Ref:623064)
|
#6 | ||
|
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 9,482
|
Piper design already published a drawing of its future prototype, if I can remember...
|
||
|
|
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 18:24 (Ref:623088)
|
#7 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
Who has already tested, Fogelhund?
|
||
|
|
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..."
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 18:25 (Ref:623091)
|
#8 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,215
|
I thought that the Piper had been built, based on the anticipated 2004 regs....
I'll confirm that.... |
||
|
|
__________________
Finally... One American Open Wheel Series!
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 18:48 (Ref:623111)
|
#9 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 6,958
|
I can't confirm whether it is their GT or proto that has tested for certain, though I'm told both are coming. I can't really say who it is either. Zoom^3
|
||
|
|
|
|
6 Jun 2003, 19:30 (Ref:623140)
|
#10 | |
|
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
There was a 2003 Piper which has been adapted for 2004. One car so far has been sold to an FIA SCC team.
Lola are building a new LMP900 or LMGTP that will apparently bare a resembelence to the new carbon GTS car they are producing for an un named manufactuer. Lola have said they hope to be first out testing with a 2004 car before the end of the year. Audi have started the design of there new LMGTP and have said they have a budget to test this year if they so wish. The leading Spanish Dallara Nisan team have been asked to design and build an LMGTP for a , presumably Spanish manfactuer. Could be Seat or a smaller company. however the team have to fund the project themselves through sponsorship etc. Dome are building an LMP750kg car as they believe more customers will want this type of car but will also build a new LMP900/LMGTP if there is demand (RFH/Kondo etc.) Don't forget the Lister is a brand new car and has been designed to hit the ground running in 2004 with 2003 being a development year. The designer, Ady Thorby said the car could relativley easily b converted to LMGTP due to the same cockpit dimensions for the 2004 LMP900/LMGTP regs. Courage are looking at an LMGTP car also. Theres also the fact that Prodrive have been involved in 2 new prototypes for manufactuers, one believed to be Mazda. Mazda did actually produce a car for 2003 which Ford blocked as it would only have one year before having to be replaced. I would also expect Porsche to return with a prototype in 2005 as they have ruled out F1 and the DTM already which only really leaves LM. It seems from what I've read and heard that most LMP1 cars will be closed coupes due to there better aerodynamics and asthetics for a manufactuer. Afterall look how long manufcatuers persisted with the closed GT1 cars despite being slower than the LMP900 cars. Last edited by JAG; 6 Jun 2003 at 19:33. |
|
|
|
|
|
7 Jun 2003, 00:06 (Ref:623457)
|
#11 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 5,721
|
Yes, but when will we see the wretched things?!
|
||
|
|
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?" Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..."
|
|
7 Jun 2003, 00:27 (Ref:623471)
|
#12 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 10,500
|
Quote:
 There will be announcments at LM, PLM and the Le Mans Tournament race at the end of the year. |
||
|
|
|
|
7 Jun 2003, 03:46 (Ref:623554)
|
#13 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,215
|
I hope everybody doesn't go closed cockpit....
I want some "coupes" and "spyders" Variety is the spice of life... |
||
|
|
__________________
Finally... One American Open Wheel Series!
|
|
7 Jun 2003, 07:09 (Ref:623609)
|
#14 | |||
|
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 9,482
|
Quote:
Last edited by Fab; 7 Jun 2003 at 07:10. |
|||
|
|
|
|
7 Jun 2003, 12:19 (Ref:623809)
|
#15 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 2,077
|
Reasons as to why ACO decided to "grandfather" the present chassis into the '04 racing season. '02-'03 cars still have some life in them, so why consign them to the trash heap for this rush to new cars. And, as Fab said, not everyone can afford the new cars.
|
||
|
__________________
Here's to the new age of Sports car/Prototypes...
|
|
8 Jun 2003, 00:04 (Ref:624173)
|
#16 | |||
|
Team Crouton
20KPINAL
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 39,570
|
Quote:
I do I've seen enough open protos over the last 4-5 years to last me for quite a while..... |
|||
|
|
__________________
44 days...
|
|
8 Jun 2003, 00:37 (Ref:624180)
|
#17 | ||
|
Racer
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 242
|
Same here Aysedasi, I have scene plenty of open protos over the last few years. I would love to see some closed GTP cars come back. Even though I had first watched Le Mans on the tele in 2000, I'm gettin kind of burnt out on the open cars. Does anyone know if Audi has confirmed on the 2004 return with a GTP? And what about Porsche? Will they do LMP or GTP? When will they come back? Can't wait for Porsche to make their return to Le Mans, where they belong. Also, I wouldn't mind if Audi came back in 2004, as long as it was with a GTP car!!!
|
||
|
|
|
|
8 Jun 2003, 00:40 (Ref:624182)
|
#18 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 2,077
|
Awwww... I like open-cockpit cars.
 They're neat.
|
||
|
|
__________________
Here's to the new age of Sports car/Prototypes...
|
|
8 Jun 2003, 08:19 (Ref:624293)
|
#19 | ||
|
Team Crouton
20KPINAL
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 39,570
|
It's all a question of what you like, veeten. Noone is wrong and noone is right to like what they do. I "grew up" on Group C, which is probably why I like the closed cars so much. Having said that, back around 94/95 when the open protos appeared on the scene, I remember being quite releived to see something difterent. I still say a field of Jag, Porsche, Merc, Nissan and others streaming into Dunlop is one of those sights you never forget.....
|
||
|
|
__________________
44 days...
|
|
8 Jun 2003, 09:10 (Ref:624325)
|
#20 | |
|
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 2,742
|
being from the class of 98 i grew up with both...and so i'd like more roofs, but not all roofs thank you!
also looking forward to seeing if the current crop of "supercars" make it onto the race track...the enzo, merc, ford gt, etc.. funnily enough my favourite image of lm is at dunlop, that famous 2000 picture of mcnish driving the(open!)audi one-handed and putting the other one to his eyes to shield him from the early morning sun. awesome! Last edited by kdr; 8 Jun 2003 at 09:10. |
|
|
|
__________________
I want you to drive flat out
|
|
8 Jun 2003, 13:48 (Ref:624538)
|
#21 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 2,077
|
Well guys, I go further back than both of you. (oh god, showin' my age again...
) I remember the 60's, with the Chapparal, Lola T70, Ferrari 330 P3-4, Ford GT40 MkI, II, IV, Porsche Carrera 6, 908/LH, and others.The 70's, after the Ferrari-Porsche wars, were a bit dull, with the Mirage-Ford and all. Picked up a little in the 80's, with the rules re-written to get the Renault/Gordini going. Unfortunately, they hadn't counted upon Porsche comming up with the 936, and causing some headaches for those engineers & officials. Sure there's some gaps, but I do remember a good amount.
|
||
|
|
__________________
Here's to the new age of Sports car/Prototypes...
|
|
8 Jun 2003, 16:13 (Ref:624687)
|
#22 | |||
|
Ten-Tenths Hall of Fame
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 9,482
|
Quote:
 In fact, I'd love to see both, as we had in 1999, racing for victory... Ho, I forgot ! That's what we have this year !!! 
Last edited by Fab; 8 Jun 2003 at 16:13. |
|||
|
|
|
|
9 Jun 2003, 21:26 (Ref:626476)
|
#23 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,215
|
Both have merits, and I know that we wills ee both next year....
I enjoy being able to see who is in the seat when they go by...can't do that in a closed-cockpit car... BTW...a fellow gearhead who is a friend of mine has a Dan Gurney photo from the 1960s shading his eyes at Le Mans...I've only seen the photo once, but the car looked like a closed top Second generation Shelby Cobra???? This was before I followed Le Mans...I was a kid in the 1960s....did Dan ever drive a Cobra before he did the Ford GT40 thing in the late 1960s??? |
||
|
|
__________________
Finally... One American Open Wheel Series!
|
|
9 Jun 2003, 22:25 (Ref:626553)
|
#24 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 2,077
|
Yes, and incredibly enough was teamed with Bob Bondurant in '64 with the Cobra Daytona Coupe. 1st in class and 4th overall at LeMans.
|
||
|
|
__________________
Here's to the new age of Sports car/Prototypes...
|
|
9 Jun 2003, 22:34 (Ref:626560)
|
#25 | ||
|
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,215
|
That's gotta be the shot!!!!
Looks exactly like the Cobra Daytona Coupe...(Just went by his office and peeked in the window at it....he's out this week...probably making a secret trip over to watch it "live" with all of you!!!! |
||
|
|
__________________
Finally... One American Open Wheel Series!
|
 |
|
|
Similar Threads
|
||||
| Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
| F3 Top 10 2004 - What is yours? | Gaz | National & International Single Seaters | 33 | 27 Nov 2004 09:53 |
| 2004 Who Is It Going To Be? | JimWeb | Formula One | 26 | 1 Mar 2004 17:10 |
| F3 2004 | Gaz | National & International Single Seaters | 15 | 21 Nov 2003 19:57 |
| GTS and GT in 2004 | JAG | Sportscar & GT Racing | 4 | 16 May 2003 11:25 |
| 2004 Wdc | GXH | Formula One | 22 | 29 Dec 2002 04:20 |
Linear Mode
