Brainless Park

[the_calculator]

I've always loved simple tracks wich have a good flow like; old monza, old osterreichring and goodwood.
So I thought I've have a go with this one.
Overtaking would be a very hard thing here.
It doesn't really fit in with modern day circuits, does it?

Hope you like it.
Please comment / criticise.

[bio]

Hi,
with the given length I see a couple of good overtaking points here.

I like this track.

bio

[olivk]

Hi,
I like it too! It would probably not be a race-oriented track if built nowadays, i imagine it will with rather little safety runoffs and walls close to the track on both sides. Much more fun for non-race trackday-circuits IMO. Of course historical races would do great, and generally no-big-money races, such as amateur-24h-races for example.

My only suggestion : push the pitlane further away from the esses, so the exiting cars can take the esses at full speed without endangering the other cars, and then brake only once they passed the last ess. I think in the current layout they would need to slow down before exiting the last ess, which even in non-race driving seems dangerous to me. The pitlane back to the track is very safe for a long distance before T1 so you could push it 200m without problem i think.

[LuiggiSpeed]

I like you analysis of the track, it's crazy fast, more like a test circuit?

Anyways a powerful and stable bike is needed her(for my biking needs ) and lots and lots of run of rather than walls and no run-off. Going back to walls and no run-off at this point would be sort o' like going back to slavery, there's no rational reason IMHO.

[LuiggiSpeed]

If anything, I would build an optional section for us bikers to sweat it out a little bit more:

[the_calculator]

Thank you.

Originally Posted by bio

with the given length I see a couple of good overtaking points here.

I have to disagree with you on this, altough there are some lengthy straights the following corners are fast ones wich makes outbraking very difficult.
If you look at the corners Herman Tilke uses after his straights to provide overtaking they're all hairpins with corner radius of max. 30-40 meters.
On this track their radius starts at 100 meters.
There wil be braking but not outbraking.
(Nice discussion though, probably also depends on wich raceclass or bike or car)

Originally Posted by olivk

My only suggestion : push the pitlane further away from the esses.

Good point, wil do!

@LuiggiSpeed;
Nice addition, but I would keep the long backstraight and see if I can start a loop between turn 1 and 2

[ScotsBrutesFan]

Originally Posted by olivk

My only suggestion : push the pitlane further away from the esses,

how about just putting the pits on the 668m straight.

[Yannick]

It's a fast one and a good one, just how I like them, but I can see a drawing error kind of problem with the regard to scale: the "flat out" turn of the 130R type of variety does seem to have a smaller radius than the Esses at the end of the lap. So the drawing does not quite picture the track intended. That's somewhat unfortunate, but should be fairly easy to fix.

Thanks for your contribution to this board.

[the_calculator]

Originally Posted by Yannick

but I can see a drawing error kind of problem with the regard to scale: the "flat out" turn of the 130R type of variety does seem to have a smaller radius than the Esses at the end of the lap. So the drawing does not quite picture the track intended. That's somewhat unfortunate, but should be fairly easy to fix.

Must be an optical illusion or else my CAD-programm would be wrong.

[bio]

Touché

bio

[ptclaus98]

Looks like a mentalists Imola.

[Mr Pink]

Love it!

And regarding the overtaking, wasn't there a lot more overtaking when DTM visited Dijon-Prenois last year than anyone thought? I'm not so shure the "long straight to slow hairpin/chicane" is the only way to go.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by the_calculator

Thank you.



I have to disagree with you on this, altough there are some lengthy straights the following corners are fast ones wich makes outbraking very difficult.
If you look at the corners Herman Tilke uses after his straights to provide overtaking they're all hairpins with corner radius of max. 30-40 meters.
On this track their radius starts at 100 meters.
There wil be braking but not outbraking.
(Nice discussion though, probably also depends on wich raceclass or bike or car)



Good point, wil do!

@LuiggiSpeed;
Nice addition, but I would keep the long backstraight and see if I can start a loop between turn 1 and 2

The best bike racing I have ever watched on TV was at Phillip Island with Gardner, Schwantz, Rainey and co. Phillip Island is fast and flowing for the most part and that is ideal for bike racing. It brings out the best in bikes (no aero downforce) but is useless for F1 (too much aero downforce).