2017 Japanese Super GT

[loon]

with bmw ramping up their involvement in formula e I can see them following Mercedes out of dtm, so no class1, no dtm

[TF110]

Originally Posted by loon

with bmw ramping up their involvement in formula e I can see them following Mercedes out of dtm, so no class1, no dtm

They can do more than one thing at a time. If it were like you said, why would they be making a new M8 GTE? Audi seems committed to DTM or touring cars. So if the Super GT guys say 'join us and we'll join DTM' I think they may bite.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

Or the Deutchies give in to more of GTA's demands in a desperate attempt to steady the ship on their end.

I'd like to see that happen as its been ITR making the demands of GTA up til now

[BSchneiderFan]

Could we see some balance of performance between DTM and Super GT for 2019 before they can thrash out common rules?

[banzailap]

This is a golden opportunity for Lexus to enter DTM. They toyed with the idea in the past, and the planets are aligned. They are not tainted by the Dieselgate, they have the perfect car to appeal to the German premium market with the LC, and no doubt that Audi and BMW will be cool with whatever regulation adjustment they would ask for if this allows the DTM to continue. Plus they already have the car, tried and tested !

I see Nissan and Honda less of a match with the German market targeted by DTM.

[AkioAsakura95]

Originally Posted by banzailap

This is a golden opportunity for Lexus to enter DTM. They toyed with the idea in the past, and the planets are aligned. They are not tainted by the Dieselgate, they have the perfect car to appeal to the German premium market with the LC, and no doubt that Audi and BMW will be cool with whatever regulation adjustment they would ask for if this allows the DTM to continue. Plus they already have the car, tried and tested !

I see Nissan and Honda less of a match with the German market targeted by DTM.

I agree with that too. But the main reason of Mercedes leaving DTM is they refused to used the 2019 new regulation engine.

[hondafan37]

I think that the GT500 should go to GTE rules, and then be able to race Le Mans, WEC and IMSA. This is the real possibility of the Japanese sports cars to fight hand to hand with Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Corvette, BMW M8 and Ford GT
The GT500 are GT cars, but the DTM are tourist cars.
The solution of the DTM maybe is join forces with the WTCC that goes to new rules in 2019.

[TF110]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

I think that the GT500 should go to GTE rules, and then be able to race Le Mans, WEC and IMSA. This is the real possibility of the Japanese sports cars to fight hand to hand with Ferrari, Porsche, Aston Martin, Corvette, BMW M8 and Ford GT
The GT500 are GT cars, but the DTM are tourist cars.
The solution of the DTM maybe is join forces with the WTCC that goes to new rules in 2019.

They won't be fast enough. GTE would barely be any faster than GT300. Super GT had/has the fastest GT's in the world. They want to keep it that way.

[Scorchess]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

I think that the GT500 should go to GTE rules

To what possible end?! One of weirdest suggestions I've heard in a while

GT500 is doing just fine thank you.

[loon]

I love super gt because it's Japanese, I don't want to watch European gt's, I think super gt should just strike out on it's own and produce the coolest, fastest cars possible

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TF110

They won't be fast enough. GTE would barely be any faster than GT300. Super GT had/has the fastest GT's in the world. They want to keep it that way.

They can make a car with the GTE rules with much more power and less weight to be much faster than the GT300 and then adjust the parameters of power and weight when they go to Le Mans or IMSA.
Also GTE have free tyres rules something that was one of the conflicts with the DTM.

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by Scorchess

To what possible end?! One of weirdest suggestions I've heard in a while

GT500 is doing just fine thank you.

Originally Posted by loon

I love super gt because it's Japanese, I don't want to watch European gt's, I think super gt should just strike out on it's own and produce the coolest, fastest cars possible

Precisely that is the point is very Japanese, which is excellent and very successful locally.
But what was the intention of negotiating with the DTM?
The answer is the evolution of the series and cars at the global level.
They already have 5, 6 or 7 years of negotiation with the DTM and nothing happens, and now Mercedes announces their retirement at the end of 2018.
If they really want growth at the global level the answer is GTE.
I see a lot of advantages in this point:
*Free tyres rules (something that was one of the conflicts with the DTM)
*The chance to go to Le Mans (Iconic race for the Japanese)
*The chance to race in IMSA (Very important market for the Japanese)
*The possibility of boost the power and lowering the weight for your local championship.

[AoB Special Stage]

But, homologation rules not to the taste of the development pace of the Japanese squads.

[Japanese Samurai]

Honda will sell two NSX GT3 for 2018 season for Japan market .
http://www.honda.co.jp/motorsports/topics/2017/nsxgt3/

[AkioAsakura95]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Honda will sell two NSX GT3 for 2018 season for Japan market .
http://www.honda.co.jp/motorsports/topics/2017/nsxgt3/

Which race???

SUPER GT or Super Taikyu or even Blancpain GT Asia Series??

[rjoconnell]

If I had to guess, Mugen gets one, and everyone gets what they've been wanting for over a year when ARTA gets the other.

[hvr777]

http://www.as-web.jp/supergt/146165?all

2018 Super GT season is already published. 1-month gap between races except for between Round 2 - Round 3.

Suzuka is placed as 3rd race with 300km race distance.

[AkioAsakura95]

Originally Posted by rjoconnell

If I had to guess, Mugen gets one, and everyone gets what they've been wanting for over a year when ARTA gets the other.

I think if Mugen stepped down to GT300, then I think DOME Racing will replace Team Mugen in GT500 class as the rumor said.

But I think ARTA in GT300 class they mostly prefer Autobacs in-house development car or Autobacs related new car dealer business since 2003 until 2012 because 2013 they banned sports prototype car.

And I think they might continue to used M6 GT3 for next year due to the business relationship with Autobacs Seven which is main sponsorship since 2015.

And this link is the History of Autobacs Seven which is including they acquired all shares of Autoplatz K.K. which is Ikebukuro BMW in 2015 :
https://www.autobacs.co.jp/ja/company/enkaku.html

http://www.autobacs.co.jp/ja/ir/ar20...ut/topics.html

And with including the acquisition of BMW Tochigi branch dealership . Autobacs will strongly used the own business car dealership or their in house development car as the race car in GT300. Just like Lotus Evora for Car Tokai Dream with same dealership with Lotus Japan which is Kazuho Takahashi.

http://bmw.jpn.org/bmw/autobacs-tochigi-ma


http://motorcars.jp/autobacs-start-t...ecture20160808

[AkioAsakura95]

According to Autosports web:
It seem that Honda NSX GT3 will participate in SUPER GT in the next season.

@Japanese Samurai
Can you please translate this article as shown as below with the bold text???

Title: ホンダ「GT300チームがNSXを選んでくれることを願っている」すでに複数の興味も？

7月27日、ホンダはブランパンGTシリーズ／インターコンチネンタルGTチャレンジの一戦として開催されるトタル・スパ24時間のパドックで、NSX GT3のグローバルプログラムについての発表を行った。ホンダのグローバルGT3プログラムのマネージャーである嶋村馨氏は、「GT300のチームがNSXを選んでくれるということを切に願っています」とスーパー GTでの使用についても触れた。

　現地時間午後2時から行われたこの発表には、ブランパンGTシリーズをはじめGT3シリーズを多く運営するSROのステファン・ラテル代表も祝福に駆け付け、多くのメディアの注目を集めた。パドック内に設えられ た“ホンダスタンド”の壇上には、黒いカバーに包まれたNSXの姿があり、ホンダ・モーター・ヨーロッパのヘッド・オブ・モータースポーツであるロベルト・ウォザーストン、基本のマシン開発を手掛けたJA SモータースポーツのNSX GT3プロジェクトリーダーであるステファノ・フィニ、さらにはグローバルGT3プログラムのマネージャーである嶋村馨氏のあいさつの後、アンヴェイルされた。

　このNSX GT3のプログラムが立ち上がったのは昨年のこと。日本のHRD（ホンダR&D）とアメリカのHPD（ホンダ・パフォーマンス・デベロップメント）がエンジンのチューニングを担当。また車体はHRDにJASモータ ースポーツのエンジニアが長期滞在して共同でデザインを行い、クルマの組み上げ作業はJASモータースポーツで行われた。

　その後、最初の開発テストを経た後NSX GT3は米国のHPDへ。そこからHPDによってさらに熟成開発が進められ、今年のIMSAでデビューを果たしているという。

　嶋村氏によると、「カスタマーに受け入れられるだけのポテンシャルがあることを、きちんと証明してから発表したかったんです。そういう意味で、デイトナ24時間で4分の1くらいトップを走れましたし、その他にも 2勝を飾ったので、今回そのタイミングが来たということですね。NSXはアメリカで作っているので、まずはアメリカで力を証明してからということだったんです」とのこと。

　さて、このNSX GT3は、初年度12台が製作・販売される予定。今後2024年までには、最低でも70台を世界中にデリバリーしたいという考えだ。ちなみに、日本での販売とカスタマーサービスはM-TEC（無限）が担当する。

　すでにスーパーGT300クラスではニッサンやレクサスのGT3車両が参戦しているが、このNSX GT3も来年のスーパーGT、あるいは来年からホンダのお膝元である鈴鹿サーキットで開始される鈴鹿10時間耐久レースに姿を現すのだろうか。

　嶋村氏は「日本でもこのクルマは走れますし、あとは日本のGT300のチームがNSXを選んでくれるということを切に願っています。ホンダ系チームに限ることなく、欲しいと言われる方にできるだけ供給していきた いですね」とのことだった。すでにいくつかのチームが興味を示しているということだが、国内外での販売交渉は、これから行われる予定だ。

http://www.as-web.jp/supergt/146127?all

[Japanese Samurai]

Most of them are copies of Honda's press release.

This NSX GT3 will be produced 12 cars in first year (2018).
Honda wants to supply at least total 70 cars till 2024.
M-Tec in charge of sales and customer service in Japan.

Kaoru Shimamura (Honda):
This car can run also in Japan.
So I hope that Japanese GT300 team will choose NSX.
We would like to supply the car not only Honda family team but also the team that wants NSX.

Several teams are already showing interest, but sales negotiations are planned for now.

[AkioAsakura95]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Most of them are copies of Honda's press release.

This NSX GT3 will be produced 12 cars in first year (2018).
Honda wants to supply at least total 70 cars till 2024.
M-Tec in charge of sales and customer service in Japan.

Kaoru Shimamura (Honda):
This car can run also in Japan.
So I hope that Japanese GT300 team will choose NSX.
We would like to supply the car not only Honda family team but also the team that wants NSX.

Several teams are already showing interest, but sales negotiations are planned for now.

@Japanese Samurai
Hi there, what do you mean Honda family team??? It that means Honda factory team in GT500 class??? Or something like Car Tokai Dream like that???

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by AkioAsakura95

@Japanese Samurai
Hi there, what do you mean Honda family team??? It that means Honda factory team in GT500 class??? Or something like Car Tokai Dream like that???

Perhaps he means team ARTA (#55).

[AkioAsakura95]

Originally Posted by Japanese Samurai

Perhaps he means team ARTA (#55).

@Japanese Samurai
Then about Team ARTA the main sponsorship is Autobacs Seven but they are not involved in the Honda business like Car Tokai Dream 28. Then why they said that it's Honda family team????

By they way , if ARTA M6 GT3 is sold , then which team want to buy their BMW M6 GT3????

[AoB Special Stage]

They could just mean the Honda GT500 'fleet' teams.

[carbsmith]

Well speaking literally, M-Tec running the customer operations makes it extremely likely Mugen is racing one next year, because M-Tec is Mugen, and Mugen is literally a "Honda family" team.

But more broadly I assume it means that they aren't just going to supply cars to traditional Honda connected teams or dealerships, but that anyone can buy and race one.