Newcastle Is Go!!!

[one five five]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

50 v's 10,000 .......

Only takes 1 person to shut something like this down.....Heck it only takes one complaint from a resident to get live music canned from pubs.

Sometimes you don't even need a person, a frog got a motor race cancelled in Australia once.

the outnumbering for the event compared to against the event is irrelevant when it comes to getting an event canned or not.

Originally Posted by Mixer

but you can't doubt the increase in employment,

Imagine the increase in employment if the money was put into a permanent circuit for the area, instead of being a "Homebush lite"...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

Only takes 1 person to shut something like this down.....Heck it only takes one complaint from a resident to get live music canned from pubs.

Sometimes you don't even need a person, a frog got a motor race cancelled in Australia once.

the outnumbering for the event compared to against the event is irrelevant when it comes to getting an event canned or not.



Imagine the increase in employment if the money was put into a permanent circuit for the area, instead of being a "Homebush lite"...

Ok imagining, Less than you think. Clipsal provides 400 Full time equivlent positions. permamnent circuits do not. Its all because of the size of the crowd, and interstate attendee, and set up costs. something permanent circuits dont achieve

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Ok imagining, Less than you think. Clipsal provides 400 Full time equivlent positions. permamnent circuits do not. Its all because of the size of the crowd, and interstate attendee, and set up costs. something permanent circuits dont achieve

But they provide legitimate full time positions for less tax payer outlay.

How many full time equivalent jobs are there for the Homebush street race now?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

But they provide legitimate full time positions for less tax payer outlay.

How many full time equivalent jobs are there for the Homebush street race now?

Do they, how much would a permannet circuit in newcastle cost? We know that an upgrade at EC/SMP cost $9M but that was for an upgrade and how many jobs? Would it provide 5 FTE jobs after its been built

Homebush has heaps of FTE jobs, i just checked Seek

But these jobs dont last for ever, thats fine, but that is the hospitality industry, full of casuals surviving event to event, Sorry if you dont understand that

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Do they, how much would a permannet circuit in newcastle cost? We know that an upgrade at EC/SMP cost $9M but that was for an upgrade and how many jobs? Would it provide 5 FTE jobs after its been built

Depends on the business plan for the track once it is built.

A permanent track would allow opportunities for employment in some capacity 365 days a year through circuit use. That won't happen at the Homebush Lite event.

[Mixer]

Talk of building a new permanent circuit by comparison to a street event is a ridiculous fantasy and an apples to oranges comparison.

Just like bringing up 15 year old events, logical fallacies abound.

Hybrid events like Townsville and Adelaide create lasting infrastructure and jobs without creating a green field facility.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Hybrid events like Townsville and Adelaide create lasting infrastructure and jobs without creating a green field facility.

And don't do anything for motor racing in the process?

What did motor racing get out of Homebush? What will motor racing get out of the replacement Homebush Lite event at Newcastle?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by one five five

And don't do anything for motor racing in the process?

Does a tourism event need to do anything for motor racing?

Originally Posted by one five five

What did motor racing get out of Homebush? What will motor racing get out of the replacement Homebush Lite event at Newcastle?

Emotive carry on like this shows your agenda.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by one five five

And don't do anything for motor racing in the process?

What did motor racing get out of Homebush? What will motor racing get out of the replacement Homebush Lite event at Newcastle?

The problem is that non-permanent facilities create no lasting infrastructure and only benefit the sport in the immediate term.

The Australia motor sport fraternity was fortunate that when the appetite for street and airfield tracks dried up in the early sixties there existed a strong interest from car clubs and the occasional entrepreneur to build permanent facilities.

Will this be the case in the future?

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Does a tourism event need to do anything for motor racing?

From a tourism perspective, of course not. Newcastle is a great place, they've done well to nail a Supercars event to their town.

But considering we are on a motor racing forum, populated by people interested in motor racing, and the Newcastle event will be a motor racing event, logically wouldn't we hope it does something for motor racing?

Originally Posted by Mixer

Emotive carry on like this shows your agenda.

No agenda, just saying how I see it. Newcastle is just a lite version of the event Supercars really wanted.

[Axeman444]

All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?

[D.R.T.]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Just like bringing up 15 year old events, logical fallacies abound.

So overstating, misrepresenting and fabricating economic impacts and attendance numbers to influence decision makers is irrelevant because it occurred 15 years ago?

Any chance you may have an agenda here Mixer?

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

So overstating, misrepresenting and fabricating economic impacts and attendance numbers to influence decision makers is irrelevant because it occurred 15 years ago?

Any chance you may have an agenda here Mixer?

Its irreverent because its been dealt with in this discusion. Continually bringing it up achieves nothing . Yes It showed some issues in the past, But policies and procedures are now in place.

Your point is made, can we move on.

[GTRMagic]

FAI? wonder how Mr Adler is travelling these days..

[peckstar]

how can CAMS licence a track before it is built? The nature of street circuits.



Supercars to race in Newcastle for first time

The event has been secured by Destination NSW in partnership with Supercars Australia and Newcastle City Council. The inaugural event will take place in November 2017.

Crackpots!

[GTRMagic]

Newcastle Looking At formula E Bid

[Mixer]

Now that is getting interesting.

[one five five]

A Formula E race would have to be in addition to the Newcastle 500, rather than as part of the Newcastle 500 (as the article mentions as one of the supposed options)

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

FAI? wonder how Mr Adler is travelling these days..

Abit of a cheap shot, given that even bibles like Autosport and Motorsport have made the same spelling mistake for decades...

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by one five five

A Formula E race would have to be in addition to the Newcastle 500, rather than as part of the Newcastle 500 (as the article mentions as one of the supposed options)

Would make better financial sense as part of the same race meeting (don't have to build the track & infrastructure twice) but no doubt Formula E also comes with a hefty price tag, including airfreight, travel / accom for teams and a sanctioning fee.
If the event goes OK maybe that cost could be considered but it feels like a bit of a thought bubble by the council which might wither once they know what the dollars look like.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Would make better financial sense as part of the same race meeting (don't have to build the track & infrastructure twice) but no doubt Formula E also comes with a hefty price tag, including airfreight, travel / accom for teams and a sanctioning fee.

Formula E has made it clear in the past that they don't want to race alongside or be a part of race meetings that feature categories that, for want of a better term, burn fuel.

[Alan52]

Originally Posted by Tourer

Would make better financial sense as part of the same race meeting (don't have to build the track & infrastructure twice) but no doubt Formula E also comes with a hefty price tag, including airfreight, travel / accom for teams and a sanctioning fee.
If the event goes OK maybe that cost could be considered but it feels like a bit of a thought bubble by the council which might wither once they know what the dollars look like.

Formula E doesn't race with other categories anywhere in the world and has no plans to do so.

[Mixer]

You'd think you wouldn't get Formula E without the costs being the thick end of $1m.

Question is really whether the international exposure is worth it to Newcastle, and whether there is budget for that sort of thing.

I applaud them thinking of something outside of domestic to put the event on the map.

Originally Posted by one five five

Formula E has made it clear in the past that they don't want to race alongside or be a part of race meetings that feature categories that, for want of a better term, burn fuel.

Gee I hope they don't race anywhere that generates electricity with coal... Same as hippie plug-in hybrid drivers...

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by Alan52

Formula E doesn't race with other categories anywhere in the world and has no plans to do so.

Fair play to them then. Means that if Newcastle want to host them on the same track, another weekend and possibly another build of the track will be needed. It'll pump up cost and either lengthen disruption for locals or produce another round of disruption for locals.

Originally Posted by Mixer

You'd think you wouldn't get Formula E without the costs being the thick end of $1m.

$1m Australian wouldn't even pay the airfreight cost. On top of that you'd expect flights and accom for teams, then a sanctioning fee.

It used to cost the Gold Coast event over $20m US for those things for Champ Car, IRL wanted more again to come back. On top of that is the cost to build the track, staff it, market the event etc.

Unless the FIA is subsidising Formula E (which it may be doing) then it is likely to be pretty expensive to bring it to Newcastle - whether or not that stacks up remains to be seen.

[D.R.T.]

Interesting with Newcastle investigating the Formula E angle - I wonder if this is to chase the international market to satisfy NSW gov investment.

Originally Posted by Tourer

It'll pump up cost and either lengthen disruption for locals or produce another round of disruption for locals.

Hang on weren't we told there would be no disruption and it was just East End nimby's whinging?

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by D.R.T.

Hang on weren't we told there would be no disruption and it was just East End nimby's whinging?

Maybe I should have said "alleged" disruption but in reality there is always some disruption, managed well people can still get on with what they want to do but if it drags out, patience may be limited.