WEC Porsche Prototype Discussion - Page 304

**bjohnsonsmith** · 28 Mar 2017, 15:21 (Ref:3722192)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Porsche were embedding rear view mirrors many, many moons ago:

I like the way Porsche have gone for the retro look, with this year's car and those wheels certainly stand out.

Seriously, I like the look of the new car.

bentley speed 8 · 28 Mar 2017, 16:13 (Ref:3722203)

Can't say I dislike it, but it might take some time getting used to.

Richard C · 28 Mar 2017, 16:56 (Ref:3722208)

I like the curviness of the new sidepods. Not a big fan of the large headlights, but I am sure it is a design driven by function. If that is the final livery, it is pretty bad.

Richard

TF110 · 28 Mar 2017, 17:01 (Ref:3722210)

That's not the final livery. It'll look something like the new 911's in GTE. You can already tell by the driver's racing suits. These pics don't have any red or gray on the car but the driving suits feature them.

carbsmith · 28 Mar 2017, 17:52 (Ref:3722220)

It seems the matte black is "subtracted" from the paint scheme, so it's already present on an incomplete panel. The difference between noses is also a clue, as the extra black on the one should be covered by the same red/silver when they're finished. I assume it's something like the black is bare carbon, the white is painted on because it makes the majority of the colour, and the other details are vinyl.

airbusA346 · 28 Mar 2017, 19:02 (Ref:3722236)

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Originally Posted by TF110

That's not the final livery. It'll look something like the new 911's in GTE. You can already tell by the driver's racing suits. These pics don't have any red or gray on the car but the driving suits feature them.

You can see where the stripes will go too, because the nose and rear end are black.

XtC24 · 28 Mar 2017, 21:20 (Ref:3722261)

These rearviewmirrors could make quite a difference.
Look at the Ford GT, this (mirrors) is aerodynamical nightmare.

I think Toyota'17 has retained "normal" mirrors from what could be seen on their twitter.

I also like this car better than previous versions.

helgi · 28 Mar 2017, 21:34 (Ref:3722269)

The more I look at new 919 the less I see any sense in Toyota bringing even ten TS050s to Le Mans. If that aero really works Toyota will have to put something out of pocket with their engine or any other clever bit to win at last. And if they lose again - only a Ginetta fleet will save LMP1.

TF110 · 28 Mar 2017, 22:40 (Ref:3722298)

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Originally Posted by helgi

The more I look at new 919 the less I see any sense in Toyota bringing even ten TS050s to Le Mans. If that aero really works Toyota will have to put something out of pocket with their engine or any other clever bit to win at last. And if they lose again - only a Ginetta fleet will save LMP1.

Bit premature to come to that conclusion. We haven't even seen the new TS050 yet. Remember how much the R18 had in terms of aero details yet was slower than both Porsche and Toyota.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 29 Mar 2017, 04:23 (Ref:3722338)

Sometimes I like the look of a minimalist livery. Too often, what could be simple is made overly complicated.

I'd be quite happy if one car looked like this

and the other had the touche de rouge.

Spyderman · 29 Mar 2017, 05:50 (Ref:3722345)

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Originally Posted by helgi

The more I look at new 919 the less I see any sense in Toyota bringing even ten TS050s to Le Mans. If that aero really works Toyota will have to put something out of pocket with their engine or any other clever bit to win at last. And if they lose again - only a Ginetta fleet will save LMP1.

Toyota will be very, very strong this year. They are in their second year with this car and they have significantly upgraded it and usually by the second year they have ironed out all the bugs.
I think Porsche are being very wary of Toyota, and so they should be.

roderick · 29 Mar 2017, 05:58 (Ref:3722347)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Toyota will be very, very strong this year. They are in their second year with this car and they have significantly upgraded it and usually by the second year they have ironed out all the bugs.
I think Porsche are being very wary of Toyota, and so they should be.

I totally agree with you on that!
but unlike any other year, TS050 has changed drastically on the aero aspect for both front and rear. much lighter body should help with their balance as well.
But I think Porsche might be hiding something for the le mans...
FYI: New 2.4l engine is gonna be awesome!

Spyderman · 29 Mar 2017, 06:52 (Ref:3722354)

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Originally Posted by roderick

I totally agree with you on that!
but unlike any other year, TS050 has changed drastically on the aero aspect for both front and rear. much lighter body should help with their balance as well.
But I think Porsche might be hiding something for the le mans...
FYI: New 2.4l engine is gonna be awesome!

I had no idea that the engine is going up in capacity. I must have missed this.
Engineering is not my forte (to put it mildly), but I remember reading that for purposes of inertia, the ideal size per cylinder is 500cc (thus we had the 2L V4, 3L V6's and 4L V8's). Going up to 2.4L means that we now have 600cc per cylinder. Can any one of you with far more knowledge of engineering than I , wade in on this and provide some insight?

roderick · 29 Mar 2017, 07:04 (Ref:3722356)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

I had no idea that the engine is going up in capacity. I must have missed this.
Engineering is not my forte (to put it mildly), but I remember reading that for purposes of inertia, the ideal size per cylinder is 500cc (thus we had the 2L V4, 3L V6's and 4L V8's). Going up to 2.4L means that we now have 600cc per cylinder. Can any one of you with far more knowledge of engineering than I , wade in on this and provide some insight?

Sorry for misinforming. 2.4l is about TS050 not Porsche.
but I didnt know about ideal size per cylinder...(toyota was planning to use 2.1l V6 this year...which doesn't make sense according to your theory)

Spyderman · 29 Mar 2017, 07:06 (Ref:3722357)

Ha!..So they will no doubt stick with 2L....or will they?

Spyderman · 29 Mar 2017, 07:58 (Ref:3722367)

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Originally Posted by roderick

Sorry for misinforming. 2.4l is about TS050 not Porsche.
but I didnt know about ideal size per cylinder...(toyota was planning to use 2.1l V6 this year...which doesn't make sense according to your theory)

It's not my theory. It is something I remember reading. Also - I think what was written was that 500cc was the upper ideal limit. In other words, they (the engineers) tried not going over the 500cc/ cylinder theoretical limit. I also suspect that this really only applies to racing engines.

Here you can read more about that theory:http://blog.caranddriver.com/why-0-5...engine-design/

Spyderman · 29 Mar 2017, 18:00 (Ref:3722470)

Porsche has just concluded its 2nd 2017 Endurance test. A total of 6,230 km were completed at Paul Ricard

kvenom · 29 Mar 2017, 21:47 (Ref:3722500)

Final livery?

TF110 · 29 Mar 2017, 23:12 (Ref:3722507)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Porsche has just concluded its 2nd 2017 Endurance test. A total of 6,230 km were completed at Paul Ricard

They also said on their twitter that they ran the final 2017 engine spec for the first time https://twitter.com/Porsche_Team/sta...48690338988040

Spyderman · 30 Mar 2017, 05:14 (Ref:3722545)

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Originally Posted by kvenom

Final livery?

Looks like it.

Victor_RO · 30 Mar 2017, 07:28 (Ref:3722562)

No, it's a Photoshop job from a website associated with Endurance-Info. Final livery will be out tomorrow.

Spyderman · 30 Mar 2017, 08:59 (Ref:3722569)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

No, it's a Photoshop job from a website associated with Endurance-Info. Final livery will be out tomorrow.

Ah! Good!!

Hawkwood · 30 Mar 2017, 09:43 (Ref:3722573)

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Originally Posted by Spyderman

Ah! Good!!

Don'tbe too happy just yet, it'll probably be exactly the same...

Spyderman · 30 Mar 2017, 09:51 (Ref:3722575)

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Originally Posted by Hawkwood

Don'tbe too happy just yet, it'll probably be exactly the same...

That would not surprise me either.

TF110 · 30 Mar 2017, 18:41 (Ref:3722651)

Change in schedule for Porsche's unveiling- https://twitter.com/FIAWEC/status/847491699186085893 it's now 2pm local time.

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