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Old 4 Jul 2009, 10:00 (Ref:2495730)   #26
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big andy should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridbig andy should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
this one looks cheap then http://www.pistonheads.com/SALES/1073804.htm?
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Old 4 Jul 2009, 10:54 (Ref:2495738)   #27
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Looks like it's been sold anyway. It said winning bidder so I assume it was on e Bay. That body shape was for the earlier 2.6/2.9 RS not the final incarnation. These were much closer to the standard shell configuration.
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Old 4 Jul 2009, 11:04 (Ref:2495743)   #28
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terence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridterence should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Awfull lot of F/Glass used as well.
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Old 4 Jul 2009, 11:06 (Ref:2495744)   #29
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If it is as good as said could be made into a nice RS2600 rep!

Just need to lose the ducktail bootlid for the HTP fotos
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Old 4 Jul 2009, 11:10 (Ref:2495745)   #30
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Yep to the ducktail.

Terry there was a lot of fibreglass, that was the point. If you get a look at the homologation certificate you'll see how much was used.
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Old 4 Jul 2009, 11:55 (Ref:2495755)   #31
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Yes I do realise that Peter,but the originals,as you said would have had a hell of a lot of work performed under the pretty bits.
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Old 4 Jul 2009, 12:01 (Ref:2495757)   #32
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Certainly as far as the GAA cars were concerned, but the original "bubble arched" 2.3 and 2.6 RS chassis were very much based upon the original shell. In the case of this one I suspect the ali arches would preclude it from getting a group 2 HTP which is why I think it sold for around £3k eventually.
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Old 4 Jul 2009, 17:39 (Ref:2495834)   #33
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I am no Capri expert, CSL`s are my thing. But I am not so suprised at the price being asked for the Capri replica, assuming it is a true replica of the `74-`75 period when both Ford & BMW were using 24v engines. The factory CSL`s of that period were in no way similar to the production cars (or Group 1,,.). Apart from the basic body, trim, windows, etc..and the engine block...everything else was different. To find or make these parts is very expensive & time consuming. Although with modern technology it is now possible to acheive the same result with a lot less expense. I suppose it comes down to how you want to do it, & if you want to drive a car like it was in 1975. You only have to look at the speed difference between the factory cars & the good privateer teams to see that. Often 15-20 seconds around Spa.
And Peter, I have an invoce from when the BMW factory sold my CSL in 1974 for DM 99,000. The internet tells me that was about £15,000 ! Probably about the cost of 3 houses.
So far as I know no Camaro ever came close to beating the works Fords or BMW`s.
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Old 5 Jul 2009, 05:10 (Ref:2495961)   #34
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Alex, when will we see your lovely car racing again?

Looking quickly- In 'the six races making up ETCC in '74 can find mention of Frank Gardner in five- all DNFs but did qualy 2nd for one and 3rd for another.

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Old 5 Jul 2009, 06:09 (Ref:2495967)   #35
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Thanks for that Mike and Alex. I did think Frank had won a race, but there you go maybe it was a BTCC round which I think at around 73/74 ran to Grp 2 regs.

Soo if we take the view that a Beemer was three houses, the Capri was possibly cheaper so laet's say two houses, which based upon the national average would be around £300k (ish). Makes this one a bargain then.
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Old 5 Jul 2009, 06:42 (Ref:2495970)   #36
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Certainly Gardner's Camaro dominated the 1973 BTCC, which was last year run to gp2.

Would be nice to see one built to '73 or '74 spec racing against the CSLs and Capris!
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Old 5 Jul 2009, 07:04 (Ref:2495972)   #37
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Have you giys seen the BTCC Thruxton race on Frank's video, he makes the Capris and Batmobiles look stationary. I keep looking for that all alloy 454 CanAm engine Mike :-). The rest is no d0ubt similiar to the current spec of my car the 4 speed Muncie and rear axle will take most of what is thrown at it with no special components are needed. Pete time for me and your Capri to go head to head when are we going to see you? :-)
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Old 5 Jul 2009, 07:08 (Ref:2495975)   #38
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Have you giys seen the BTCC Thruxton race on Frank's video, he makes the Capris and Batmobiles look stationary. I keep looking for that all alloy 454 CanAm engine Mike the rest is almost to the spec of my car as is so tough is the 4 speed Muncie and rear axle no special components are needed :-)
Keep looking Al, would be great to see and hear!
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Trouble is to find a genuine GM one that would satisfy the pundits would be nigh impossible I would have thought. Plenty of aftermarket blocks and heads about I ahd a good look around and watched the ex- Pete Halford all alloy big block Camaro perform at Thruxton and it was one beautiful car and despite being marked up with masters stickers I really fail to see how it could ever possibly be legal unless they allow complete aftermarket units.
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Old 5 Jul 2009, 08:40 (Ref:2495995)   #40
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Have you giys seen the BTCC Thruxton race on Frank's video, he makes the Capris and Batmobiles look stationary. I keep looking for that all alloy 454 CanAm engine Mike :-). The rest is no d0ubt similiar to the current spec of my car the 4 speed Muncie and rear axle will take most of what is thrown at it with no special components are needed. Pete time for me and your Capri to go head to head when are we going to see you? :-)

As a point of interest, I suspect those Capris were not 3.4 GAA cars. In 1973 there was the 2.3 and the 2.9 RS Cologne only. Somewhat smaller and less powerful than a 500bhp Camaro. Also I think the BMWs were based on the 2800 CS and not the Batmobile 3.0CSL.

Doubt we'll be racing against each other in the near future Al.
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Old 5 Jul 2009, 10:20 (Ref:2496023)   #41
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Yes Peter, the 1973 BTCC Capris were RS2600 model and I think CSL (Brian Muir) used 12 valve engine.

Frank Gardner's 1974 ETCC Camaro is listed as 585bhp- sounds fun!

1973 was also the year rules allowed Ford to race Escort 'RS1300s'.....
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Old 5 Jul 2009, 10:37 (Ref:2496032)   #42
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John Fitzpatrick went quite well in the 1300 IIRC.
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I am hoping to do the DRM Revival race at the OGP, no confirmation of entry yet. If that fails I will do the Silverstone Classic. Donington was it`s first race since 1975 so still trying to sort out a few problems, but getting there.
Frank did ge pole for the `73 TT against all the works cars, but ETCC races were at least 4 Hours. BTCC was only 30 minutes I think ?
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I am hoping to do the DRM Revival race at the OGP, no confirmation of entry yet. If that fails I will do the Silverstone Classic. Donington was it`s first race since 1975 so still trying to sort out a few problems, but getting there.
Frank did ge pole for the `73 TT against all the works cars, but ETCC races were at least 4 Hours. BTCC was only 30 minutes I think ?
OK, if you don't get to OGP see you at Silverstone!

BTCC races were all short which is probably why the Camaro struggled with 4hrs + in Europe.

Peter, you need to get your books over there with you! Vince Woodman, Peter Hanson & Gillian F-T drove the '73 Escort 'screamers'. Peter finished 2nd in championship behind Frank G. John F drove the Team Broadspeed Castrol RS16 in '71.

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Lol,

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Thanks for that Mike and Alex. I did think Frank had won a race, but there you go maybe it was a BTCC round which I think at around 73/74 ran to Grp 2 regs.

Soo if we take the view that a Beemer was three houses, the Capri was possibly cheaper so laet's say two houses, which based upon the national average would be around £300k (ish). Makes this one a bargain then.
Let's not get carried away here... these were expensive cars back in the day but not that expensive.

GBP15,000 in 1974 would be GBP117,000 in today's terms using the retail price index, or GBP187,000 if using the increase in average earnings. Bear in mind the amount of money that these manufacturers spent on motorsport back then was a fraction of what's spent today in relative terms.
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Which is about the figure I suggested earlier in the thread.
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Old 6 Jul 2009, 08:45 (Ref:2496432)   #48
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i hav eoften looke dat 73 75 race cra price sin relation to hous eprices a s a guide
plese not houses back then did niot hav ethe rising market deisgner kitchen stuff we have had teh last 20 years
as an example if you bought yr hous ein 75 it was £X thousnd a sit was "just" a house where as to day so much hype interior design fancy kitchens etc are added to get the best possible price so there is a skew on values so dont take ithe car house thing to the penny
i would day that there is around 15-20% hype on house prices today due to the market hype for design etc

also consider the BTCC cars of 9699 era they did cost £250-300k each to build with 50k motors etc
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I agree with Driftwood, house price inflation over the last 15 years has been so extreme as to be meaningless when used as a comp - other than to say we all would be better having our money in bricks and mortar rather than cars which is a very dangerous comment!!
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Er yes.

But 125k for a 3.4 Capri built from scratch as it were appears to be the right price.
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