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Old 15 Jul 2009, 10:01 (Ref:2502079)   #46
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Whats the story with the Yellow Starion? Any ideas?

looks more like an RX7 to me
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Old 15 Jul 2009, 10:05 (Ref:2502082)   #47
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Unlikely mate, Series I Rx7s were Gp A Homologated, and it aint a Ser I.

The end of the name on the windscreen indicates it might be Bartlett?
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Old 15 Jul 2009, 12:14 (Ref:2502158)   #48
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looks more like an RX7 to me
put your glasses on nick
im sure its a mitsi
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Old 15 Jul 2009, 16:41 (Ref:2502308)   #49
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rdmdog - The yellow Starion is Kevin Bartlett's. He ran it occasionally in 1987 in NSW events (AMSCAR, also the ATCC round at Oran Park)
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Old 15 Jul 2009, 17:04 (Ref:2502323)   #50
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Did this car become the Finaur car (for the first AMSCAR meeting)



This is from the cover of "Chequered Flag" magazine January 1987, from a launch in late '86 of the first JPS M3

The article mentions that this isn't the finished product. One would assume this is a converted 325i from the teams 1986 campaign.
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Old 16 Jul 2009, 09:06 (Ref:2502608)   #51
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Close Racer, it is definitely my car. Pip Barker told me they had a car nearly finished by the time he left the team at the end of 86 and that it was from a spare 325 shell they had. It may well have become the Finnauer car but to confirm this I'd need to see where the rear air jacks were. A low shot from the side is the ideal shot to show this. I've got a few old mags, I'll have to start looking through them again, but in more detail this time.
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Am I correct in thinking that the 325i and M3 were identical and that the differences lay under the bonnet and with the suspension?

From this thread in the Chassis History section http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98823 I gather that all the M3s were built to a point by BMW and then sold to the teams who completed the build and numbered M3/1-001, M31/002 etc. Presumably the JPS cars were included in this.

I guess it would be logical to try and capture the history of the 2.5 litre M3s here. Two Schnitzer cars were raced in New Zealand by Emanuele Pirro & Johhny Cecotto and Steve Soper & Joachim Winkelhock at the end of 1990 after which the Benson & Hedges team took delivery.

These were used as the B&H racecars throughout 1991, with a 3rd car purchased from the Bigazzi team in Italy. This was painted in a white livery for the BMW Advanced Training Centre, it was used as the T car at Bathurst. One of the Schnitzer cars was badly damaged in Wellington at the end of the year, although I believe repaired.

For the 1992 ATCC there 3 cars, 2 in B&H livery for Jones and Longhurst and the ex Bigazzi car for Paul Morris in the white livery it had appeared in 1991. For Bathurst 1992 there was a new car, I think this was the last ever M3 E30 built.

For 1993 the team entered 4 cars, Longhurst and John Blanchard in B&H livery and Morris and Geoff Full in Diet Coke livery, presumably being the new car, the 2 Schnitzer cars delivered at the end of 1990 and the Bigazzi car.

The last built car was sold to Cameron McLean who used it to win the 1995 Australian Sports Sedan Championship, Blanchard raced one in the 2 litre series in 1994, while one was sold to Asia.
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Old 17 Jul 2009, 09:52 (Ref:2503168)   #53
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Hi Anthony, there are many common parts. The cars are basically built on the same floor pan but the only panel that is common is the bonnet. The doors are different, the front and rear guards are different, the roof and bootlid are different. The grill is the same, the headlights are different, etc.

I think you've got the B&H car history right, the #25 car that Denny Hulme died in was sold to Kevin Underwood a Kiwi who was living in the UK, but I believe has now returned to NZ. The Morris Diet Coke car is in NZ as well. The ex McLean car is in Sydney, I'm not sure of the whereabouts of the 4th car though.

The M3 shell numbering is correct and the first 35 cars had this no. stamped into the right strut tower, I forget where the remainder were stamped?
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I believe the ex-Morris diet Coke M3 was recently bought back from NZ to Australia.
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Am I correct in thinking that the 325i and M3 were identical and that the differences lay under the bonnet and with the suspension?

From this thread in the Chassis History section http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98823 I gather that all the M3s were built to a point by BMW and then sold to the teams who completed the build and numbered M3/1-001, M31/002 etc. Presumably the JPS cars were included in this.

I guess it would be logical to try and capture the history of the 2.5 litre M3s here. Two Schnitzer cars were raced in New Zealand by Emanuele Pirro & Johhny Cecotto and Steve Soper & Joachim Winkelhock at the end of 1990 after which the Benson & Hedges team took delivery.

These were used as the B&H racecars throughout 1991, with a 3rd car purchased from the Bigazzi team in Italy. This was painted in a white livery for the BMW Advanced Training Centre, it was used as the T car at Bathurst. One of the Schnitzer cars was badly damaged in Wellington at the end of the year, although I believe repaired.

For the 1992 ATCC there 3 cars, 2 in B&H livery for Jones and Longhurst and the ex Bigazzi car for Paul Morris in the white livery it had appeared in 1991. For Bathurst 1992 there was a new car, I think this was the last ever M3 E30 built.

For 1993 the team entered 4 cars, Longhurst and John Blanchard in B&H livery and Morris and Geoff Full in Diet Coke livery, presumably being the new car, the 2 Schnitzer cars delivered at the end of 1990 and the Bigazzi car.

The last built car was sold to Cameron McLean who used it to win the 1995 Australian Sports Sedan Championship, Blanchard raced one in the 2 litre series in 1994, while one was sold to Asia.
The Mclean/Jones car also did a couple of 6 hour relay races in Victoria with both Cam/Peter driving it.
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Old 14 Dec 2009, 09:43 (Ref:2599324)   #56
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This thread is a bit old, but I can fill in some of these gaps anyway.

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Am I correct in thinking that the 325i and M3 were identical and that the differences lay under the bonnet and with the suspension?

From this thread in the Chassis History section http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=98823 I gather that all the M3s were built to a point by BMW and then sold to the teams who completed the build and numbered M3/1-001, M31/002 etc. Presumably the JPS cars were included in this..
Only the caged "Matter" shells sold by BMW Motorsport carried the M3/1-xxx numbered tags. A number of M3 race cars were built from primered M3 shells, and just carried the BMW part number on the scuttle panel below the wiper. I believe the JPS cars were all built from these primered shells, so I doubt you will find these M3/1-xxx numbered tags on any.I was told that Frank Gardner allocated his own numbers (FGRxxx) to these cars, but have not seen any to be able to confirm.

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I guess it would be logical to try and capture the history of the 2.5 litre M3s here. Two Schnitzer cars were raced in New Zealand by Emanuele Pirro & Johhny Cecotto and Steve Soper & Joachim Winkelhock at the end of 1990 after which the Benson & Hedges team took delivery.

These were used as the B&H racecars throughout 1991, with a 3rd car purchased from the Bigazzi team in Italy. This was painted in a white livery for the BMW Advanced Training Centre, it was used as the T car at Bathurst. One of the Schnitzer cars was badly damaged in Wellington at the end of the year, although I believe repaired.

For the 1992 ATCC there 3 cars, 2 in B&H livery for Jones and Longhurst and the ex Bigazzi car for Paul Morris in the white livery it had appeared in 1991. For Bathurst 1992 there was a new car, I think this was the last ever M3 E30 built.
Mostly correct, but the car crashed at Wellington was not repaired. A new car was built in Australia for Longhurst to race in 1992, at Bathurst that year Longhurst got the "new" car and the "old" car was handed to Denny Hulme/Paul Morris.

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For 1993 the team entered 4 cars, Longhurst and John Blanchard in B&H livery and Morris and Geoff Full in Diet Coke livery, presumably being the new car, the 2 Schnitzer cars delivered at the end of 1990 and the Bigazzi car..
For 1993 Longhurst's used his "new" car from Bathurst 1992, Blanchard's was the "old" Longhurst 1992 car,(also converted to 2 litre for 1994) Geoff Fulls car was the 1991/92 Alan Jones B&H car (ex Schnitzer 1990 Wellington car) and Paul Morris got a brand new Bigazzi 1992 spec. car.

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The last built car was sold to Cameron McLean who used it to win the 1995 Australian Sports Sedan Championship, Blanchard raced one in the 2 litre series in 1994, while one was sold to Asia.
The ex Longhurst/Cameron Mclean car is now with Rick Allen in Sydney. Both of the 1993 Diet Coke cars are in NZ, as is the 1992 Longhurst/1993 Blanchard car.The white "T" car from 1991-1993 ( a very early spec. car) went to Asia until it sold recently to someone in the US.
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Old 16 Dec 2009, 09:26 (Ref:2600608)   #57
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That was an ex Schnitzer car, ex Ravaglia / Berger ETCC.
Try BOB JANE HE HAS AN IMMACULATE BOB JANE T/ MARTS 635 AS NEW NICK LAST TIME I SAW IT IT WAS A GENUINE SCHNITZER CAR
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The car that Baigent crashed (Denny Hulme turned him into a spin which sent the car barrel rolling up and over a wall at Manfield) was completely destroyed. I think the steering wheel was salvaged, and not much else! The engine and gearbox were ripped out and smashed, all the suspension broken etc. etc. That was a Schnitzer car. Kent Baigent was pretty smashed up and broken too. I have the video footage here somewhere, a very nasty crash.
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Who owned the 635 that Graham Crosby ran at one stage in NZ ?. It was a red one I think from memory.
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JPS M3`s

Some info that might help to distinguish the different cars.

It is correct that the factory shells were numbered M3-1-###. but the first 35 bodies were not numbered that way, but instead were hand stamped in a different place.
Regarding the air-jacks, from the start all M3 Gp A bodies had the air-jacks outside the wheelbase, this was the case until the updating of the bodies to allow 18" wheels to be used from the start of 1990. The only exception was that from the start of `89 Schnitzer moved them inside the wheelbase.
So any cars you see pre `89 racing in ATCC with air-jack within the wheelbase must be cars built by an individual team. Frank Gardner only bought one new M3 kit from BMW Motorsport & that was in `87, so the car with air-jacks outside the wheelbase you mention was probably this car. I have the chassis number. Seems possible that Gardner bought one factory car & used that as a reference to build the others from road bodies ??
I have some pictures of the art cars somewhere, will try to find them.
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