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Old 30 Jun 2011, 07:46 (Ref:2908420)   #1201
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 07:47 (Ref:2908421)   #1202
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 12:47 (Ref:2908555)   #1203
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Heres an interesting thought relating to McLaren (probably more fantasy tho...)

What if McLaren returned to Le Mans with an LMPEvo styled LMP1 car that was also their new P799/P12 project? They have said they want to win Le Mans outright with a car that resembles a road car, if the P11 were a kind of LMPEvo with a McLaren F1 style seating arrangement the greenhouse could be minimized enough to reduce its frontal area and with enough fancy aero could be a rather quick car, engine permitting.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 15:39 (Ref:2908670)   #1204
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Heres an interesting thought relating to McLaren (probably more fantasy tho...)

What if McLaren returned to Le Mans with an LMPEvo styled LMP1 car that was also their new P799/P12 project? They have said they want to win Le Mans outright with a car that resembles a road car, if the P11 were a kind of LMPEvo with a McLaren F1 style seating arrangement the greenhouse could be minimized enough to reduce its frontal area and with enough fancy aero could be a rather quick car, engine permitting.
You can't make a roadcar (even a very very purpose build one) as fast as a current LMP1.
It requires a purpose build LMP1 car to have a chance to win Le Mans outright. If a modified roadcar should be able to win Le Mans, it would need regulation changes.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 15:50 (Ref:2908677)   #1205
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I don't mean a road car adapted to a race car...I mean a LMP1 car that could then have a road going derivative made from it.
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I don't mean a road car adapted to a race car...I mean a LMP1 car that could then have a road going derivative made from it.
It would still demand resources and energy from the LMP1 project, which would limit it's success.

But yes, a Porsche 962 -> Dauer 962 is possible, but still, making a road car that could go along the LMP1 is very unlikely.
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 17:47 (Ref:2908769)   #1207
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It would still demand resources and energy from the LMP1 project, which would limit it's success.

But yes, a Porsche 962 -> Dauer 962 is possible, but still, making a road car that could go along the LMP1 is very unlikely.
The most you would get is some branding of the Prototype is some way (false grille, shape of lights etc) - which bearing in mind the shape of a McLaren it would be easer than with say a Mini.
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I don't mean a road car adapted to a race car...I mean a LMP1 car that could then have a road going derivative made from it.
I dont think it;s feasible. The LMP's are one seater rear engined vehicles....No trunk room.....toooo expensive as well...

Mercedes built a road going version of the CLK LM though. And a convertible as well...
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 18:05 (Ref:2908794)   #1209
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I dont think it;s feasible. The LMP's are one seater rear engined vehicles....No trunk room.....toooo expensive as well...

Mercedes built a road going version of the CLK LM though. And a convertible as well...
They're actually designed to be two seaters....and it would be possible imo but yes rather expensive (even without the racing focused parts).
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 18:15 (Ref:2908807)   #1210
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The Guinness Book of World Records recorded the CLK GTR as the most expensive production car ever built at the time, with a price of $1,547,620(USD). lolol. so much for that.....Compare that to a bugatti veyron. so actually a LMP road car might not break your bank....atleast not much worse than a Veyron will lol.
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The P799/P12 is meant to be a low volume hypercar tho...
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 18:49 (Ref:2908825)   #1212
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The P799/P12 is meant to be a low volume hypercar tho...
The what?
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 18:52 (Ref:2908829)   #1213
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The McLaren P799/P12 project, its their planned 799hp hypercar....
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Old 30 Jun 2011, 18:56 (Ref:2908832)   #1214
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The McLaren P799/P12 project, its their planned 799hp hypercar....
ooops sorry. I googled P799/12 and i got nothing but shotguns lolol.


adding Mclaren makes alot more sense.
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Its under one of those 2 names, either P799 or P12 (following on from the MP4-12C which was called P11 in development).
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They're actually designed to be two seaters....
There are certain things in the regs (space requirements for a theoretical second "seat") but I don't think they're designed to be driven like this: http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ebSarrazin.jpg
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Isn't that called "proof of concept"?
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Old 19 Jul 2011, 05:16 (Ref:2928386)   #1218
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I heard something today and now I am confused. I asked John Dagys during his Speed chats about what Cytosport's plans for next year are and he seemed pretty sure that the grandfathered 2010 cars will still be legal next year in ACO races. That's not what I've heard before, but maybe he is right? What has everyone else heard? I asked him 2-3 times just to make sure, but he seemed pretty confident. That would be interesting. If so, I really hope the AMR-One gets scrapped so we can get a year or two more of the V12! Maybe Pescarolo can keep using the V10?

Also, Dagys seemed to indicate that non-cost-capped LMP2s won't be legal next year. Maybe I heard that before, but I'm not sure. I guess this could be the final season of the ARX-01s if that is true, but we'll see. It certainly would mean that the Lotus LMP2 coupe would have to be cost-capped.
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The current rules explicitely state that non-cost-capped LMP2s are allowed for two more years:
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Interesting, but I guess a new Lotus LMP2 coupe would still have to be cost-capped since it would be homologated well past the date given.

Any explanations about when LMP1 grandfathering expires?
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In the ALMS - if they are smart - never...
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I agree! I think that was my initial question to Dagys. Something along the lines of "will the ALMS/IMSA extend the grandfathering of LMP1s..," but then he said that they will already be allowed next year in ACO racing. Or something like that. That surprised me! I don't know, that's why I am looking for some clarification because that changes a lot in regard to AMR and Pescarolo. Of course, it would be great for Autocon, Muscle Milk, Intersport, etc.
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An interesting rumour on http://www.mulsannescorner.com/newsjuly11.html
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A rumor is making the rounds about the direction the ACO's 2014 regulations will take. It is our understanding that a outline is being passed amongst the teams and manufacturers that proposes what effectively is a fuel energy content formula to start in 2014. The proposal allots 1500 liters of gasoline, or alternate fuel equivalent (diesel, methanol, etc.), for Le Mans.
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But most interestingly, the 2014 proposal allows for the complete freeing up of the engine regulations. But we can imagine the comparative draconian fuel allotment (compared to C1 in 1990) will drive engine capacities down not too far from what's being seen today. Obviously hybrid technology would play right into this as well.
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I think that is a pretty interesting proposal. Ok, it would be best if there were no restrictions at all, but this might be the best solution if there has to be some sort of restriction in place.
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I have thought for sometime that the best way is to specify the amount of energy that can be put in the car with certain safety guidlines. Leave the rest to the designers and you will see real innovation. Energy generated by the car whilst on track should be free.

I am sure the techies will shoot this down but what do you think?
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