2013 Japanese Super GT

[Japanese Samurai]

GSR and Studie (#4) was disqualified in the scrutineering.
(Air restrictor regulation violation)
http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=2&no=50438

According to NOB Taniguchi's blog,
it seems that adhesion of Air box was peeled off. It is not intentional violation.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

Lexus uses an european design, LFA excluded. Honda doesn't produce luxury or high performaces cars at all, like the HSV-010, the NSX has not a road counterpart yet, anyway the mecha-face of the new NSX GT500 is pure japanese spirit.

Yes, and this includes the GT-R with its Gundam-inspired design.

[avvelenamento]

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Yes, and this includes the GT-R with its Gundam-inspired design.

Partially agree, in my opinion gt-r desing is a sort of modern evolution of the '90 skyline heritage but io also attractive for european eyes.

[BullMan]

I have to ask someone that knows, around lap 80, what the heck was that safety car period? The SC came out and then they stopped the field at the s/f line, divided them between the two classes and let them go pace behind the SC again. It took them 8 laps to clean up one blown tire and bodywork. Made ALMS and Grand-Am look efficient.

[Shadow Explorer]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

Lexus uses an european design, LFA excluded. Honda doesn't produce luxury or high performaces cars at all, like the HSV-010, the NSX has not a road counterpart yet, anyway the mecha-face of the new NSX GT500 is pure japanese spirit.

The J-DTM can look like a warmachine, but I fail to notice any Japanese flavor to this. It looks more like a parrot....
and definitely not a worthy successor for the legendary NSX.

http://www.acura.com/images/2014/NSX...t-curve-11.jpg
http://www.acura.com/images/2014/NSX...at-speed-3.jpg

GTR is changed as well(for the worse in my opinion),but also inherited some characteristics of the older generations.

[avvelenamento]

to me, new J-DTM don't look at all like warmachines. Gt-r seems a fat gt-r gt3, the nsx looks like a long hatchback with a mecha face. New lexus doesn't give me any sensation. Only the gt-r kept a distinctive GT bodyshape.

[TF110]

I suggest putting the two GTRs side by side and comparing them. The new GT500 GTR looks nothing close to the GT3 version. Its much more sleek, a lot lower and not so box shaped. Besides that, these cars are not finalized. Theres still plenty of time until the start of 2014's season.

[hondafan37]

A very good analysis by Laurent Mercier in endurance info.
http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-20032.html

[alless]

Originally Posted by TF110

I suggest putting the two GTRs side by side and comparing them. The new GT500 GTR looks nothing close to the GT3 version. Its much more sleek, a lot lower and not so box shaped. Besides that, these cars are not finalized. Theres still plenty of time until the start of 2014's season.

True, they are really diferent but i dont think we will see any big changes there. Rules are so hard that there isnt much that could be done anymore.

Anybody got some timing of those cars actually from the test? Nissan and Honda seem to be doing bit more than just driving around.

[Japanese Samurai]

GTA Sunday press conference summary by Autosport web

*About hybrid-car regulations
-Next season, we are going to regulate output of motor, etc of hybrid car.
-We have to adjust equally BoP between hybrid car and non-hybrid car.
-In the future, there may be a setup of hybrid special class.
-It is important to supply hybrid car also to privateer.
http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=2&no=50458

[avvelenamento]

Does this mean that only official teams (nismo, tom's and weider) will use hybrid?

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by avvelenamento

Does this mean that only official teams (nismo, tom's and weider) will use hybrid?

No, it is a talk about GT300.

[avvelenamento]

ok, now it makes sense

[gustavobamba]

The GT 500 car´s will use hybrid powertrain?????

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by gustavobamba

The GT 500 car´s will use hybrid powertrain?????

I think they already did that, but it's not noticeable at the moment.

[TF110]

Next year they may use hybrid in GT500. THIS YEAR is only GT300.

And I have to say congrats to Subaru for their first win with the BRZ!

[Beryl]

Japanese Samurai, can you explain the reasoning for the GT500 penalties during this past Suzuka 1000km?
In particular, the Raybrig HSV drive-through, the Keihin HSV 10-second penalty and the Cerumo SC430, Mola GT-R and the (GT300) NDDP GT-R 90-second penalties.

[hondafan37]

Well the rules for 2014 are equalized (DTM-Super GT). But I see difficult that German cars race in Japan and that the Japanese cars race in Germany.
What is the sense of equalize rules if the 6 brands will not race both championships?

[Japanese Samurai]

Originally Posted by Beryl

Japanese Samurai, can you explain the reasoning for the GT500 penalties during this past Suzuka 1000km?
In particular, the Raybrig HSV drive-through, the Keihin HSV 10-second penalty and the Cerumo SC430, Mola GT-R and the (GT300) NDDP GT-R 90-second penalties.

The (accidental) contact is a drive-through penalty, if a victim suffers a disadvantage.

The pit stop before Safety car parade are aligned is a regulations violation. They are 90 seconds penalty.

[Articus]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Well the rules for 2014 are equalized (DTM-Super GT). But I see difficult that German cars race in Japan and that the Japanese cars race in Germany.
What is the sense of equalize rules if the 6 brands will not race both championships?

I remember earlier that Japanese wanted to race in Europe and that BMW wanted to race in Japan.

The Subaru BRZ was on another planet. Cool looking and fast at Suzuka. 6 seconds gap in the fist 2 laps! I wish that car was in GT500.

It looks like the Honda are too slow in a straightline even though they won the race. Just makes the drivers lives much harder because they are easily overcome on the straights but they cannot make up ground in the draft.

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Well the rules for 2014 are equalized (DTM-Super GT). But I see difficult that German cars race in Japan and that the Japanese cars race in Germany.
What is the sense of equalize rules if the 6 brands will not race both championships?

If they can't race each other, there's the DTM USA... But that one will most likely not gonna happen in 2017.

[TF110]

SuperGT uses the turbo inline 4 engines and bespoke tires. Theyll be a good deal faster than DTM! This thread talked earlier about the DTM maybe adopting the GT500 engine rules. And the Toyota thread talked about them possibly joining DTM.

[ptclaus98]

Originally Posted by hondafan37

A very good analysis by Laurent Mercier in endurance info.
http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...nce-20032.html

The fact that they don't have big hospitality tents and spend that money on the cars just further shows how much the Japanese understand how to do things right.

[Starfish Primer]

I think that SuperGT and DTM will never be the same, they will have a common baseline and a DTM or SuperGT kits. This will allow to switch to the other championship with minimum changes.

What I don´t still don´t know is what DTM USA means, the next generation of DP will based on DTM-SuperGT base?

[hondafan37]

Originally Posted by TF110

SuperGT uses the turbo inline 4 engines and bespoke tires. Theyll be a good deal faster than DTM! This thread talked earlier about the DTM maybe adopting the GT500 engine rules. And the Toyota thread talked about them possibly joining DTM.

I think what the engine difference can be easily solved with a flange of admission and the tires should be free for both series.
I know all the rumors you mention but I find it difficult to happen.