WTCC Race 1 & 2 - Curitiba (BRA), 8th March 2009

**FIRE** · 27 Feb 2009, 17:40 (Ref:2405539)

Entrylist
N° TEAM DRIVER CAR
1 SEAT Sport Yvan Muller (FRA) SEAT León 2.0 TDI
2 SEAT Sport Gabriele Tarquini (ITA) SEAT León 2.0 TDI
3 SEAT Sport Rickard Rydell (SWE) SEAT León 2.0 TDI
4 SEAT Sport Jordi Gené (ESP) SEAT León 2.0 TDI
5 SEAT Sport Tiago Monteiro (POR) SEAT León 2.0 TDI
6 BMW Team UK Andy Priaulx (GBR) BMW 320si
7 BMW Team Germany Jörg Müller (GER) BMW 320si
8 BMW Team Germany Augusto Farfus (BRA) BMW 320si
9 BMW Team Italy-Spain Alessandro Zanardi (ITA) BMW 320si
10 BMW Team Italy-Spain Sergio Hernández (ESP) BMW 320si
11 Chevrolet Robert Huff (GBR) Chevrolet Cruze **
12 Chevrolet Alain Menu (SUI) Chevrolet Cruze **
14 Chevrolet Nicola Larini (ITA) Chevrolet Cruze **
18 LADA Sport Jaap van Lagen (NED) Lada 110 2.0
19 LADA Sport Kirill Ladygin (RUS) Lada 110 2.0
20 LADA Sport Viktor Shapovalov (RUS) Lada 110 2.0
21 SUNRED Engineering Tom Coronel (NED) SEAT León 2.0 TFSI *
22 SUNRED Engineering Tom Boardman (GBR) SEAT León 2.0 TFSI *
23 Scuderia Proteam Motorsport Félix Porteiro (ESP) BMW 320si *
24 Scuderia Proteam Motorsport George Tanev (BUL) BMW 320si *
25 Liqui Moly Team Engstler Franz Engstler (GER) BMW 320si *
26 Liqui Moly Team Engstler Kristian Poulsen (DEN) BMW 320si *
27 Wiechers-Sport Stefano D'Aste (ITA) BMW 320si *
28 Colak Racing Team Ingra Marin Colak (CRO) SEAT León 2.0 TFSI *
* Yokohama Independents' Trophy
** FIA homologation under way

Matt · 27 Feb 2009, 19:04 (Ref:2405587)

If Chevrolet somehow cannot get FiA Homologation in time for Brazil, could they use the Lacetti's?

Aslak Vind · 27 Feb 2009, 19:25 (Ref:2405598)

Matt..

Its the FIA, trust me, they will get the homologation. If there is a commercial upside, FIA will know how to gain from it. Sad but true..

stedevil · 27 Feb 2009, 22:58 (Ref:2405734)

Yeah, I also guess the "homologation holdup" is mostly down to how much dispensations they should be allowed to have to be reasonably competitive from pretty much day 1. The underpowered old engine eg will likely continue to yield them the same weight break as on the lacetti, but they likely want more than that (and seat and bmw are likely against).

redshoes · 28 Feb 2009, 10:06 (Ref:2405969)

I suspect that part of the homologation issue is that the road car isn't on sale yet. The FIA will need to confirm the minimum build requirement has been met and that the road car is being built to the homologated spec.

Hazard · 28 Feb 2009, 10:54 (Ref:2405989)

Technical issues aside - hoorah, 8 days till we go racing again - my these winters are surely getting longer!

Still - much like the F1 season, there's not a lot of change in terms of teams and drivers. Apart from the Cruze and Hernandez and Porteiro's swap - everything's the same...but will the results be?

Aslak Vind · 28 Feb 2009, 21:09 (Ref:2406179)

Curiuos about the diesels.

kmchow · 2 Mar 2009, 02:54 (Ref:2407050)

I thought the Cruze will get a new engine or thoroughly updated engine?

If Chevy goes bankrupt (in the UK? or Globally?), it could always appear as a Vauxhall Cruze?

stedevil · 2 Mar 2009, 05:29 (Ref:2407100)

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Originally Posted by kmchow

I thought the Cruze will get a new engine or thoroughly updated engine?

With new engine regs coming in 1 (possibly 2, if delayed) years? That would be an awful short time to recoup the development investment of a new engine. Lada seems to be doing it though, but they also seem to not be at the brink of extinction and need to get up on par with the rest.

**FIRE** · 3 Mar 2009, 16:17 (Ref:2408212)

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Schedule
Testing: Friday 19:00 19:30
Free Practice 1: Saturday 13:00 13:30
Free Practice 2: Saturday 16:30 17:00
Qualifying Q1: Saturday 20:00 20:20
Qualifying Q1: Saturday 20:25 20:35
Warm Up: Sunday 13:30 13:45
Race 1: Sunday 17:00 17:35
Race 2: Sunday 20:00 20:35

I think these times are CET.

Stefvh · 3 Mar 2009, 16:21 (Ref:2408216)

They are.

helterskelter · 4 Mar 2009, 20:52 (Ref:2409123)

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmchow

I thought the Cruze will get a new engine or thoroughly updated engine?

If Chevy goes bankrupt (in the UK? or Globally?), it could always appear as a Vauxhall Cruze?

Chevy is General Motors, if it goes bankrupt then Vauxhall also is off! But don't worry, it just won't happen

stedevil · 4 Mar 2009, 21:59 (Ref:2409170)

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Originally Posted by helterskelter

Chevy is General Motors, if it goes bankrupt then Vauxhall also is off! But don't worry, it just won't happen

Not sure about that. Think Vauxhall falls under the Opel branch of GM, and Opel for sure will survive even if GM goes belly up.

Dead-Eye · 4 Mar 2009, 22:50 (Ref:2409192)

I wouldn't say for sure. It's possible that Opel could survive GM's demise, maybe even likely. But not sure at all.

stedevil · 5 Mar 2009, 09:06 (Ref:2409318)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

I wouldn't say for sure. It's possible that Opel could survive GM's demise, maybe even likely. But not sure at all.

The German state has already show quite high willingness to pour in large sums of cash to keep their auto industry floating during these harsh times. So Opel wont die in the nearby future. But of course, what happens in 3-10 years will depend on future Opel car sales, they will not get indefinite future funding from the state if they cant make a profit.

helgi · 5 Mar 2009, 09:21 (Ref:2409329)

Opel are going to close 3 plants in the nearest future as I've heard.

Dead-Eye · 5 Mar 2009, 11:10 (Ref:2409442)

Quote:

Originally Posted by stedevil

The German state has already show quite high willingness to pour in large sums of cash to keep their auto industry floating during these harsh times. So Opel wont die in the nearby future. But of course, what happens in 3-10 years will depend on future Opel car sales, they will not get indefinite future funding from the state if they cant make a profit.

Actually Merkel has said there would be no preferential treatment for Opel (whatever that means). Apparently the plan Opel presented still leaves too many questions unanswered for our government to make a firm commitment.

Craner Curves · 5 Mar 2009, 14:09 (Ref:2409590)

Off topic?

Looking forward to the season beginning again. I'm curious to see what the performances of the cars with no success ballast is like.

stedevil · 5 Mar 2009, 14:37 (Ref:2409608)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

I'm curious to see what the performances of the cars with no success ballast is like.

I was actually thinking about that the other day. It could be quite interesting, because, relative to the old system, it puts the fight for the driver championship directly opposed to the manufacturer championship.

Ie it still makes sense for the manufacturer aiming for the M title to put 5 cars on the grid with good drivers, but for the individual driver trying to take home the D title it will make things much harder to have 4 competent drivers to "fight" with, since if you have a bad weekend, but at least 2 of your teamates doesnt, you still can find yourself penalized for the next weekend.

So I think it adds some interesting aspects and tactical conserns for both teams and drivers. Should you try to find a team with 2-3 cars and go for driver title or 4-5 cars and aim for manufacturer title? Im not sure we will see the full effects of this for 2009, but if they keep the same for 2010+ it could be quite interesting to see how things pan out, especially if a few more brands joins 2010+.

Stefvh · 6 Mar 2009, 19:21 (Ref:2410555)

Testing results, http://www.fiawtcc.com/html/uploaded....1.Testing.pdf

If it's stays like that, only Lada will benefit from the new wighting rule.

**FIRE** · 6 Mar 2009, 19:37 (Ref:2410566)

Technical problems for Coronel and Poulsen:

Quote:

Tom Coronel and Kristian Poulsen did not clock any time; the former had to stop on the track when the engine of his SEAT died, while the latter did not hit the track at all due to a fuel pump failure.

Source: WTCC pr

stedevil · 7 Mar 2009, 05:40 (Ref:2410804)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stefvh

Testing results, http://www.fiawtcc.com/html/uploaded....1.Testing.pdf

If it's stays like that, only Lada will benefit from the new wighting rule.

If you believe that, you didnt fully understand the new rules. There is not going to be any weights added first 2 weekends, but after that, if the time diffs stay exactly as those numbers Chevy would get -40kg (and -50kg if a further 0.003s slower) and Lada and Petrol SEATs -60kg.

Stefvh · 7 Mar 2009, 11:08 (Ref:2410911)

That was just a bit of kidding, just saying the field is quite closed together.

**FIRE** · 7 Mar 2009, 16:55 (Ref:2411067)

Practice 1
Practice 2

Qualifying starts at 20:00 CET.

Andy77 · 7 Mar 2009, 19:15 (Ref:2411119)

is there a live stream anywhere, please?

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