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Old 4 Jan 2011, 02:30 (Ref:2810762)   #26
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What happened with the Volvo Dealer Team? After winning the ATCC, they missed the first two enduros and missed practice for the Castrol 500. I was just watching the Castrol 500 recently and I'm guessing Robbie was sacked after refusing to start the race. There must of been some huge internal problems.
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The story at the time was that Robbie and John Sheppard did not see eye to eye, Sheppard took contol of the team at the begining of 1986
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A few updates on car numbers. This race was once available as a ca. 50 minute VHS (haven't seen a DVD version, though). I'm regarding those not included in the 14 finishers as not classified - either DNFs or not completed a required minimum distance.

I have taken the liberty to copy'n'paste the revised result for future editions. Hope you're alright with that, William.
That's fine, Jesper, the point of including all the gaps was so that they could be filled later

Any of the results that are like the Amaroo ones I got from the results pages in the back of that year's AMRY, which only listed classified finishers in its results. I've filled in the non-classified runners by reading the race reports or watching the races themselves. For the Amaroo results, the others were likely DNFs, rather than NC but running at the finish.

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A general question about Oran Park would be if it was limited to 25 cars? Most grid pictures of 25 car grids ends in the final corner, and the general tight and twisty nature, more than 25 cars would be a bit excessive.
I don't believe it was limited to 25. When I post the '89 results you'll see that 36 cars started at Oran Park's round that year!
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What happened with the Volvo Dealer Team? After winning the ATCC, they missed the first two enduros and missed practice for the Castrol 500. I was just watching the Castrol 500 recently and I'm guessing Robbie was sacked after refusing to start the race. There must of been some huge internal problems.
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The story at the time was that Robbie and John Sheppard did not see eye to eye, Sheppard took contol of the team at the begining of 1986
That pretty much sums it up. I think Francevic was beginning to feel marginalised in the team, not getting to do as much testing as he wanted, not feeling like he was being treated as the number one driver in the team once John Bowe came aboard full time. According to the two yearbooks the team skipped the first two enduros while it built a new car, but when it became clear the cars were still not quite ready at Sandown the tension between Francevic and Sheppard came to a head. Francevic made remarks to either motoring journos or Volvo management (or both) complaining and recommending the car be scratched from the race due to the lack of track time, and was quietly sacked by Sheppard soon after.

The team (and for that matter, most of Volvo's Group A activity) was wound up soon after Bathurst, where Francevic was driving a Ford Sierra for Mark Petch.


Speaking of Mark Petch, since he's on this forum I wonder what light he could shed on how his team became the Volvo Dealer Team, and the hows and whys of Robbie's departure.
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Perhaps this is more suited to 1987, but after the Volvo Dealer Team was dismantled, Phil Ward & Lyndon Reithmuller did a deal to buy two of the cars... however the deal was scuttled when Volvo Sweden ordered the cars home. From there they did a deal to take on the two Martins AMG Mercedes from Bathurst '86...

Some notes from the series;

- The Better Brakes 300 was also the final AMSCAR round

- Each race was given its own 'name' that year (as noted in some of the results on the previous page), most of them were generically the "Motorcraft 100"

Amaroo - Better Brakes 100
Symmons Plains - Australian National Lines 100
Sandown - Castrol Challenge
AIR - Motorcraft 100 (even though the race was well over 100km)
Wanneroo - Motorcraft 100
Surfers - XXXX 100
Calder - Coca Cola Cup
Lakeside - Motorcraft 100
Winton - Motorcraft 100
Oran Park - Castrol Grand Final


- There was also supposed to be a "Surfers Paradise 6 Hour" for Group A cars to be held at Easter, with the winner receiving $25,000. The race however only attracted 10 entries (included in the entry were TWR Rovers and the Dick Johnson Mustang)


- There was general concern throughout the paddock of the rising costs of Group A racing in general, and that the calendar was not well enough throughtout, and indeed too many races were scheduled.


- Graeme Crosby couldn't decided how he wanted his car to look either! In the the first six championship rounds, his car carried 5 different looks.


- The Adelaide AGP support race, according to the TV coverage, was Rd2 of the South Pacific Touring Car Championship, and the commentators infer that George Fury had won round 1. I would assume that Rd1 must have been at Calder, which was also Rd5 of the AEC... and possibly explains why the race was the "Sun South Pacific 300" ?

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- The Adelaide AGP support race, according to the TV coverage, was Rd2 of the South Pacific Touring Car Championship, and the commentators infer that George Fury had won round 1. I would assume that Rd1 must have been at Calder, which was also Rd5 of the AEC... and possibly explains why the race was the "Sun South Pacific 300" ?
Yes, I remember the Calder race being promoted as such in the Melbourne Sun Newspaper.

I think I'd still have the lift-out somewhere.
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From the '87 thread...

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The '83-'86 points system is very complex to explain, but simple in reality. To use 1983 as an example, as there was just an Over & Under 3-Litre class, points were only awarded to finishing positions, but if you were a lower class car, your spot earned more points....

If you finished first in the race, but were in the O3L class, you got 25pts
If you finished first in the race, but were in the U3L class, you got 30pts

If you were second in the race, but were in the O3L class, you got 23pts
If you were second in the race, but were in the U3L class, you got 27pts

If you were third in the race, but were in the O3L class, you got 20pts
If you were third in the race, but were in the U3L class, you got 24pts

and so on.... (i have the full 1983 pts structure somewhere)

Thats how, for example Allan Moffat won Rd1 in 1983 from George Fury, yet trailed Fury in the pointscore 27-25....

I'm not sure though how it applied to the three class system from 1985, nor the four class structure in 1986..... (plus we are getting off topic lol)
It makes complete sense until you try and rebuild the points structure to apply it to results! I never understood how you could have a 2 point gap from 1st to 2nd, then a 3 point gap between 2nd and 3rd / 3rd and 4th.

This is what I'd worked the three-class points structure to be, but I still don't think it's right (or makes sense):

Outright PlacesOver 3L (C)Under 3L (B)Under 2L (A)
1st252830
2nd232627
3rd202324
4th172021
5th151719
6th131517
7th111415
8th101314
9th91213
10th81112
11th71011
12th6910
13th589
14th478
15th367
16th256
17th145
18th 34
19th 23
20th 12

I think Falcadore would have a much better grasp of this than I do. One day I wouldn't mind going back and trying to work it out again. Or perhaps just buying the relevant CAMS manual.


Oh, and four class structure? What were the classes? Under 1600cc, 1601-2000cc, 2001-3000cc, Over 3000cc? The second class would only cater for the Gazelle, the Gemini and Mike Freeman's old RA60 Celica.
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Actually your right, it was a 3-class structure in 1986... not sure what made me think it was a 4-class structure that year.

According to an early '86 edition of AA though, there was a late change to the class system, solely to keep Alfa Romeo involved.

CAMS wanted to keep the 2000-3000cc and O3L classes that had been in place in 1985, however Alfa had, for some reason, been under the impression the FISA Group A classes would be adopted and threatened to pull out if these weren't put in place.

The classes ended up being 0-2500cc, 2501cc-3000cc, and over 3000cc

It left the likes of the Alfa's & 325i's in the 0-2500cc class, with the Volvo's & Starions in the middle class.

This may have changed by the time the championship came around though, given that the 2L championship was introduced.


RE: the points system, confusing as it was, at least we never awarded the series to the wrong person, like what happened in the '86 ETCC...
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RE: the points system, confusing as it was, at least we never awarded the series to the wrong person, like what happened in the '86 ETCC...
..and it took, what, three weeks to discover the mistake in the first place!

Tried the points system on the 1985 season and most of it seems to match, but not a 100 %. I will return on this subject when I have had some quality time with the results.

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The story at the time was that Robbie and John Sheppard did not see eye to eye, Sheppard took contol of the team at the begining of 1986
According to the Sandown report in the '86 Bathurst annual, the relationship between the two was so bad, Sheppard apparently said that had Francevic not been leading the ATCC when the Sheppard-managed Volvo Dealer Team took over the Petch car, he'd have fired Francevic at the first possible opportunity...

As William said a few posts back, the flashpoint came at Sandown when the cars missed qualifying after the team had worked a series of all-nighters to have the new car ready.

Sandown qualifying featured a top 10 run-off for the fastest eight, plus potentially two cars at the organiser's discretion, and Francevic apparently thought (and claimed he'd been told by the officials) the Volvo would get one of those two discretionary slots- Unfortunately, the regs only allowed a car that hadn't run in practice to take one of those slots if it was given the OK by all the other competitors- which obviously wasn't going to happen...

According to the report in the book, the officials dithered over this, not telling Francevic he wasn't in until the last minute, with the result that he, in his own words, 'vented my rage and frustration' first at the Clerk of the Course, and then in front of a TV crew- these last remarks, including the comment 'I am sick of the whole outfit' (which according to the book referred to the officials) and suggesting he might not start the race, were unsurprisingly seen by Sheppard as being critical of the team....

On race morning, the cars had been gridded 22nd and 33rd by the organisers, and the older car (33rd) was withdrawn by the team 'for technical reasons' after Francevic drove it in the warm-up session and told the management it was uncompetitive and 'I was going to have to drive it slowly or it was going to break something' (It had already had a diff failure while driven by McRae late on Saturday afternoon).

After the car had been withdrawn, Sheppard apparently gave Volvo an ultimatum: 'I said to management this morning that if he drives today, he will not be driving with me at Bathurst...You can tip me out or tip him out'
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PositionNumberEntrantDriversCarClassRace Time/LapsRetirement CauseFastest TimeQualifying TimeGrid PositionCastrol Chargers
DNS  John Clinton / Garry WillmingtonJaguar XJ-SC   2m02.8s31 
The Sandown report in the Bathurst annual I've got here only gives Clinton's name (on the grid lineup) which raises a question- was this Willmington sharing Clinton's XJ-S, or Clinton sharing Willmington's? As the grid gives Clinton's name, I guess it's the former...?

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Round 9 - Winton, VIC (15/6/1986)


Circuit Length: 2.03 km
Race Distance: 50 laps
Weather: Sunny

Another win goes begging for the driver of Skyline #15, this time Gary Scott. The Queenslander drove a marvellous race, withstanding pressure from Jim Richards to take what would have been his first (and only) ATCC win. Unfortunately, his car was running front brake calipers that weren't homologated; the paperwork had been handed in, but not yet rubber-stamped for use. So Richards was handed his first win for 1985 from Fury, with Francevic behind him in third.

PositionNumberEntrantDriverCarClassRace Time/LapsRetirement CauseFastest TimeQualifying TimeGrid Position
DQ15Peter Jackson Nissan RacingGary ScottNissan Skyline DR-30B55m15.7sillegal brakes1m05.1s1m04.1s1
11JPS Team BMWJim RichardsBMW 635CSiC55m16.6s 1m05.2s1m04.2s2
230Peter Jackson Nissan RacingGeorge FuryNissan Skyline DR-30B55m29.4s 1m05.5s1m04.5s4
310Volvo Dealer TeamRobbie FrancevicVolvo 240TB55m40.6s 1m05.5s1m04.8s7
44Volvo Dealer TeamJohn BoweVolvo 240TB55m40.9s 1m05.3s1m04.5s5
575Network AlfaColin BondAlfa Romeo GTV6B56m13.2s 1m06.6s1m04.5s6
605Mobil Holden Dealer TeamPeter BrockHolden Commodore VKC56m16.5s 1m06.2s1m04.5s3
76Bob Jane T-MartsGraeme CrosbyHolden Commodore VKC49 laps 1m06.7s1m05.0s8
817Palmer Tube MillsDick JohnsonFord MustangC49 laps 1m06.4s1m05.4s10
936Everlast Battery ServiceMurray CarterNissan Skyline DR-30B49 laps 1m07.1s1m06.3s12
1024JagpartsGerald KayHolden Commodore VKC48 laps 1m09.0s1m09.0s16
1123Lusty EngineeringGraham LustyHolden Commodore VKC47 laps 1m09.7s1m12.6s19
1238Grellis MarketingRay EllisHolden Commodore VKC47 laps 1m10.3s1m09.5s17
1387B. BolwellBrian BolwellBMW 323iB46 laps 1m09.0s1m07.0s13
1427M. FreemanMike FreemanToyota CelicaA45 laps 1m12.3s1m12.1s18
1528Capri ComponentsLaurie NelsonFord MustangC44 laps 1m10.0s1m08.5s15
DNF78Melbourne Clutch & Brake ServiceBrian SampsonMitsubishi StarionB29 lapselectrical1m1m08.0s14
DNF40Motor Sport PacificDavid OxtonFord Sierra XR4TiC13 lapselectrical1m1m05.5s11
DNF25JPS Team BMWTony LonghurstBMW 325iB1 lapbroken sump1m1m05.3s9
DNS34Bob Jane T-MartsGarry RogersBMW 635CSiC handling 1m0612
Had a look at the ATCC, Under 2 Litre ATCC and AMSCAR races and found nothing you already have noted, William. The Winton round I have as run on June 29. The Calder (R7 ATCC) and Oran Park (R10 ATCC) was also counting as rounds 3 and 4 for the 2 Litre title. I will have a crack at the points for the 2 Litre title.

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Pos.DriverCarR1R2R3R4R5Total
1John SmithToyota Corolla3030303030150
2David RatcliffToyota Corolla2421242124114
3Bob HoldenToyota Corolla27271924-97
4Drew PriceToyota CorollaDNF2427--51
5John WhiteIsuzu GeminiDNF1921DNF-40
6Daryl HendrickIsuzu Gemini?1717--34
7John GiddingsNissan Gazelle---27-27
7Mike QuinnToyota Corolla----2727
9Mike FreemanToyota Celica21----21
NCGreg WhittakerToyota Corolla----DNF0

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Circuit Length: 3.78 km
Race Distance: 32 laps
Weather: Cloudy

PositionNumberEntrantDriverCarClassRace Time/LapsRetirement CauseFastest TimeQualifying TimeGrid Position
13 Allan GriceHolden Commodore VKC58m08.3s  1m49.5s6
230 George FuryNissan Skyline DR-30B58m13.6s  1m49.4s5
36 Graeme CrosbyHolden Commodore VKC58m17.6s  1m48.3s2
411 Larry PerkinsHolden Commodore VKC58m33.3s  1m49.3s7
57 John HarveyHolden Commodore VKC58m39.4s  1m50.5s9
615 Glenn SetonNissan Skyline DR-30B58m50.0s  1m48.9s3
72 Graeme BaileyHolden Commodore VKC58m50.3s  1m54.3s17
825 Tony LonghurstBMW 325iB59m25.6s  1m51.2s10
922 Graham MooreHolden Commodore VKC59m29.3s  1m52.4s12
1073 Trevor CroweBMW 635CSiC59m51.1s  1m52.5s13
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 75 Colin BondAlfa Romeo GTV6B    15
 24 Gerald KayHolden Commodore VKC    16
 14 Jorg van OmmenMercedes 190E 2.3-16B    18
 76 Warwick RooklynAlfa Romeo GTV6B    20
 42 Kevin BartlettMitsubishi StarionB    21
 27 Alf GrantHolden Commodore VKC    26
 4 Peter McLeodHolden Commodore VKC    27
 28 Tony KavichHolden Commodore VKC    29
 32 Garry WillmingtonJaguar XJ-SC    31
 99 Denis HorleyFord Capri 3000SC    33
 13 Bob HoldenToyota CorollaA    34
 56 Gordon MitchellFiat Uno TurboA    35
DNF8 Terry FinniganHolden Commodore VKC engine  36
DNF67 Ray GulsonAlfa Romeo GTV6B    30
DNF05 Peter BrockHolden Commodore VKC engine 1m49.0s4
DNF18 Ray EllisHolden Commodore VKC    11
DNF17 Dick JohnsonFord MustangC    8
DNF33 Lawrie NelsonFord MustangC    28
DNF96 Tim SlakoRover VitesseC    23
DNF1 Jim RichardsBMW 635CSiC5 lapsCV joint 1m47.7s1
DNF34 Garry RogersBMW 635CSiC    22
DNF36 Murray CarterNissan Skyline DR-30B    24
DNF20 Jim KeoghBMW 635CSiC    19
DNF71 Graeme HooleyHolden Commodore VKC    25
DNF74 Brad JonesMitsubishi StarionB    32
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The Adelaide GP race was also round 1 of 4 of the South Pacific Touring Car Championship - the remaining races held in New Zealand.

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The Adelaide GP race was also round 1 of 4 of the South Pacific Touring Car Championship - the remaining races held in New Zealand.
It was round 2 of the series. As noted by chavez in post #31, Rd1 was the Sun South Pacific 300 at Calder (which doubled as AEC rd5)
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It was round 2 of the series. As noted by chavez in post #31, Rd1 was the Sun South Pacific 300 at Calder (which doubled as AEC rd5)
Thank you for the info. That would then move the New Zealand dates to be rounds 3-5 or 3-4?

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Can anyone confirm Gary Wilmington's blinder of a start at the Pepsi 300 at Oran Park? As mentioned above, he qualified 9th, but judged the start beatifully and IIRC was 3rd by the first corner.
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Having a look in AMRY 1986/87, it says that Willmington crossed the line after lap one in 7th from 9th on the grid. 3rd off the line would have been something special.

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You win half the races in the series and still don't win the title? Considering his performance over a long period of time, couldn't we just give Fury an honorary ATCC (if you know what I'm trying to say)? He would deserve more than most wouldn't he? Was he lacking a particular quality or skill or win the big stuff (ATCC or Bathurst)?
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You win half the races in the series and still don't win the title? Considering his performance over a long period of time, couldn't we just give Fury an honorary ATCC (if you know what I'm trying to say)? He would deserve more than most wouldn't he? Was he lacking a particular quality or skill or win the big stuff (ATCC or Bathurst)?
Good question!

I'm no expert on the ATCC but it seems to me that he just faced a highly competitive bunch of rivals who were amongst the best Touring car drivers in the world let alone Australia and New Zealand?

Peter Brock, a legend
Dicko
Gricey
Big Jim
Perkins
Moff
Skaife (latterly)

All would have graced full blown interntional works saloon car drives given the opportunity and desire and would have won races and titles i'm sure.
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You win half the races in the series and still don't win the title? Considering his performance over a long period of time, couldn't we just give Fury an honorary ATCC (if you know what I'm trying to say)? He would deserve more than most wouldn't he? Was he lacking a particular quality or skill or win the big stuff (ATCC or Bathurst)?
Recently I had a look at the 1983 ATCC where George Fury lead the series all the way to the final round, where he and Nissan elected NOT to participate. The reason given was he had to drop a score where championship rival Allan Moffat didn't. But with the kind of top 2 and 3 results Fury had during most of the year he would still have had a fighting chance to take the title, but why he didn't even try is beyond me.

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